Mousse or tubliss for highway?

[Beta300REcat]

On 1/28/2019 at 8:56 PM, f12517 said:

So you're saying if I switch to tubliss I can quit carrying all my tire tools? 

Yes I am.

But you're not going to run one, are you? ?

[Beta300REcat]

On 1/29/2019 at 11:32 AM, TheTrooper said:

You must miss all of the condescending, rude and asinine comments that Bolt inserts into threads. 

I'm sorry, I'll try to pay closer attention. ?

On 1/29/2019 at 8:50 PM, TheTrooper said:

Nice analysis..lol...a TT Freudian.?

I was going to say more like Nietzsche or Jung. Pretty rude and asinine of me, huh? ?

 

[BushPig]

 

On 1/30/2019 at 1:12 PM, HevyRotashunz said:

On 1/30/2019 at 1:07 PM, TigerTanker said:

The D606 was the tire I used in Baja. I think I have 2000 miles on it, probably could go another 1000 miles. Temps up to 110, pavement and gravel speeds up to 75. Long steady pavement for 5-7 hrs at 80 degrees from San Felipe to San Diego. 
The whole crew mostly had that combo. Zero problems. 
Here is a video of that Baja ride. The tire combo was even reasonable on the sandy rocky beach. 
 

Sweet, i got a new rear 606 ima put on tomorrow. Haven't tried them before, sounds perfect for the mix of surfaces the 701 sees. I found a front I'll never leave, but I've not found a good rear that lasts a damn. Good info.

Not running a 606 front is a good move.

On 1/30/2019 at 1:22 PM, TigerTanker said:

The tire lasts so long you’ll get mad at it. It’s not going to be amazing off road but...

 

This...

[Jeff aka Bolt]

On 1/29/2019 at 7:00 AM, chadzu said:

I am a tubliss user. I like them and run them front and rear.  I also carry stuff to repair them.

I am one of the few I guess to have had a puncture of an inner bladder.  I was alone up on some spectacular Idaho single track when my rear went flat.  Noticed a big nail sticking in the tire.  Pulled it and plugged the hole.  Then found no pressure in inner.  At that point I had to dismount the tire and tubliss system.  Found that the nail had gone right through the liner and inner bladder.  I was able to put a patch on the HP inner and remount the system.  I also pulled the plug in the tire and put a patch on the inside since I was all ready in there.  I havent had a leak in the HP inner, and the patch is still there doing its thing.

The take away I guess is that nothing is fool proof.  You better pack the tools you need to fix your stuff when things go sideways.

After that story you'd get a free bladder from me...  Even if you got your Tubliss elsewhere.  

Tubliss rocks and lasts forever ! The one below was still in use on its second motocycle and raced on... even with flats.

Pic courtesy The Riddler

Edited February 3, 2019 by Jeff aka Bolt

[wr250ish]

On 1/29/2019 at 12:45 PM, TheTrooper said:

Wouldn't you agree that the tubliss may need to even be checked for good pressure in the middle of a 50+ mile ride? Extra cores are a good idea. They do damage easily 

No

[arc2arc]

I switched to Tubliss over 4 years ago, front and rear.  I ride DS for short to moderate (>30 highway miles) on occasion.  When I get to the trailhead I drop the pressure to around 3-5 PSI (almost flat) in the rear because I can't roost or spin the rear under my volunteer agreement with the FS. I am searching for every bit of traction I can find. I ride at moderate to slow pace but carry a 25lb saw on the front and a 40 lb pack on my back. I run around 10 psi in the front.  I no longer carry tire tools in my pack but always have them in my truck.  In 3000 miles I have never bent a rim but on occasion, the rear tire will burp and go flat. When that happens I ride it out flat, mostly because setting the bead with a hand pump or CO2 is a low probability event for me so I don't count on it working.  If I am riding DS to get home from the trailhead I pump up the tires with a small hand pump.

I am a big fan of the Tubliss system.  It has been trouble free and the ability to get maximum traction settles the deal.  I won't be going back to a standard system and have never felt compelled to use a mousse.  If I am worried about rim damage I back off the throttle cause the next thing that will get damaged is me.

500 EXC

[motovita]

1 hour ago, arc2arc said:

I switched to Tubliss over 4 years ago, front and rear.  I ride DS for short to moderate (>30 highway miles) on occasion.  When I get to the trailhead I drop the pressure to around 3-5 PSI (almost flat) in the rear because I can't roost or spin the rear under my volunteer agreement with the FS. I am searching for every bit of traction I can find. I ride at moderate to slow pace but carry a 25lb saw on the front and a 40 lb pack on my back. I run around 10 psi in the front.  I no longer carry tire tools in my pack but always have them in my truck.  In 3000 miles I have never bent a rim but on occasion, the rear tire will burp and go flat. When that happens I ride it out flat, mostly because setting the bead with a hand pump or CO2 is a low probability event for me so I don't count on it working.  If I am riding DS to get home from the trailhead I pump up the tires with a small hand pump.

I am a big fan of the Tubliss system.  It has been trouble free and the ability to get maximum traction settles the deal.  I won't be going back to a standard system and have never felt compelled to use a mousse.  If I am worried about rim damage I back off the throttle cause the next thing that will get damaged is me.

500 EXC

 I think that if you burp air with Tubliss it either wasn't installed correctly or has lost significant pressure in the inner, high pressure, chamber.

[TigerTanker]

1 hour ago, motovita said:

 I think that if you burp air with Tubliss it either wasn't installed correctly or has lost significant pressure in the inner, high pressure, chamber.

65 lbs of added weight.... 

Edited February 4, 2019 by TigerTanker

[arc2arc]

5 hours ago, TigerTanker said:

65 lbs of added weight.... 

Yeah, and I tip the scales at 225 in my birthday suit. I removed the stock springs and installed solid rods, at least that's what it feels like when I push it around the shop, but it did take care of the fork dive on the downhill switchbaclks.  Motovita's comments on burping is spot on.  With Tubliss you have to check the pressure on the inner tube every ride otherwise you get yourself into trouble. Ask me how I know.  

[TigerTanker]

Just now, arc2arc said:

Yeah, and I tip the scales at 225 in my birthday suit. I removed the stock springs and installed solid rods, at least that's what it feels like when I push it around the shop, but it did take care of the fork dive on the downhill switchbaclks.  Motovita's comments on burping is spot on.  With Tubliss you have to check the pressure on the inner tube every ride otherwise you get yourself into trouble. Ask me how I know.  

I usually pump to 110 psi. Add if below 100. But supposedly it’s good still at 90. 

[Wild Alaskan]

I check my inner bladders every 3 months but I just like to live on the edge...

[BushPig]

6 hours ago, Wild Alaskan said:

I check my inner bladders every 3 months but I just like to live on the edge...

Is that because your bladder doesnt automatically empty at the thought of an empty bladder?

Sorry, nothing of value to add. Just thought it was a great time for a wetting pants joke.

[Beta300REcat]

On 1/29/2019 at 7:37 PM, TigerTanker said:

The D606 was the tire I used in Baja. I think I have 2000 miles on it, probably could go another 1000 miles. Temps up to 110, pavement and gravel speeds up to 75. Long steady pavement for 5-7 hrs at 80 degrees from San Felipe to San Diego. 

The whole crew mostly had that combo. Zero problems. 

Here is a video of that Baja ride. The tire combo was even reasonable on the sandy rocky beach. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Mark-us-B said:

Does anyone anymore gamble on a new 606, lmao I thought those tires went the way of puny crf250l riders who want their bikes to “look” mean while still handling like a POS......

Right, Chief.

Shit, shame someone in Cali doesn't go ride Baja, it's you backyard.

[2strokeYardSale]

Friend's mousse in Baja. He said he was riding 60 mph for 43 mi of pavement.

[motumatai]

I've run Tubliss for 4 years, and at such low pressures that the Goldentyre rears eventually failed due to the continual flexing of the sidewalls: couldn't find the puncture till I soaped up the tyre and saw bubbles forming on pretty much the entire tyre!!!

In all that time I have only had one HD inner fail. That was my first one, when the protective tape they provided wasn't wide or thick enough and a spoke nipple rubbed its way through. 

Its a magic system, just not suitable for EVERY situation

[braindead0]

7 minutes ago, motumatai said:

I've run Tubliss for 4 years, and at such low pressures that the Goldentyre rears eventually failed due to the continual flexing of the sidewalls: couldn't find the puncture till I soaped up the tyre and saw bubbles forming on pretty much the entire tyre!!!

In all that time I have only had one HD inner fail. That was my first one, when the protective tape they provided wasn't wide or thick enough and a spoke nipple rubbed its way through. 

Its a magic system, just not suitable for EVERY situation

I think I had the same issue with a nearly worn out Kenda parker DT.. seeping from all over the tread area.   I've got a goldentyre on my rear now (tubliss), so far so good but it's wearing fast... 

[tombba]

I’ve got 30k miles of tubliss experience and about 20k miles on mousse. I’m sponsored by Nuetech. 
I exclusively use nitro mousse for front tires for off road use. I used nitro for Baja/west USA trip last year that was high speed pavement and gravel. Speeds up to 75 and temps as high as 110 degrees. One day I went 250 miles. That front went 2000 miles on a combo gt fatty with nitro mousse. I could have gotten 3000! The mousse felt softer than I liked but could feel no wallowing or other performance issues. 
Mousse in rear is great for non elevation off road, grueling off road racing or in a remote place like Baja with limited resources. I used the d606 with nitro and it worked very well. Off road it wasn’t the best ever, but it wasn’t a gnar ride. 
Tubliss front is stupid. End of story. Too much drama with virtually no upside  
Tubliss rear is awesome in every scenario other than Baja. It is almost impossible to torpedo unless you run fast and hard at sub 5 psi. I have damaged tires running like that but otherwise not one single solitary issue. 
An ultra heavy duty tube for a front rim makes sense in dual sport scenarios where a flat isn’t more than an adventure. The psi variability is something I want and am currently missing. I don’t feel comfortable using mousse at speed after the mousse gets too soft. 
Folks love to spew old wives tales about mousse and Tubliss. Reader beware. 
In my case I have many years and miles of experience with both. I ride with a cast of very good riders and they too are adopting the above applications 
This video of my Palm Springs dual sport was in 110 degree heat for the end of the ride. These wheels were the ones I’d used a few days earlier in Baja. 
[url=https://www.youtube.com/embed/JBO5KHNAdZY?feature=oembed][/url]  

Thanks for the detailed info Tiger. Settled on a 2020 500 exc I’ll build up with the nitro mousse front and rear. I want a 100% foolproof system with “good” performance in all off road conditions plus some limited highway. I’m in Enumclaw and will be doing Naches pass Wa BDR and singletrack stuff. You think I can get away with the softer nitro version to get better off road feel while still being acceptable for limited highway use?

[tombba]

I’ve got 30k miles of tubliss experience and about 20k miles on mousse. I’m sponsored by Nuetech. 
I exclusively use nitro mousse for front tires for off road use. I used nitro for Baja/west USA trip last year that was high speed pavement and gravel. Speeds up to 75 and temps as high as 110 degrees. One day I went 250 miles. That front went 2000 miles on a combo gt fatty with nitro mousse. I could have gotten 3000! The mousse felt softer than I liked but could feel no wallowing or other performance issues. 
Mousse in rear is great for non elevation off road, grueling off road racing or in a remote place like Baja with limited resources. I used the d606 with nitro and it worked very well. Off road it wasn’t the best ever, but it wasn’t a gnar ride. 
Tubliss front is stupid. End of story. Too much drama with virtually no upside  
Tubliss rear is awesome in every scenario other than Baja. It is almost impossible to torpedo unless you run fast and hard at sub 5 psi. I have damaged tires running like that but otherwise not one single solitary issue. 
An ultra heavy duty tube for a front rim makes sense in dual sport scenarios where a flat isn’t more than an adventure. The psi variability is something I want and am currently missing. I don’t feel comfortable using mousse at speed after the mousse gets too soft. 
Folks love to spew old wives tales about mousse and Tubliss. Reader beware. 
In my case I have many years and miles of experience with both. I ride with a cast of very good riders and they too are adopting the above applications 
This video of my Palm Springs dual sport was in 110 degree heat for the end of the ride. These wheels were the ones I’d used a few days earlier in Baja. 
[url=https://www.youtube.com/embed/JBO5KHNAdZY?feature=oembed][/url]  

Thanks for the detailed info Tiger. Settled on a 2020 500 exc I’ll build up with the nitro mousse front and rear. I want a 100% foolproof system with “good” performance in all off road conditions plus some limited highway. I’m in Enumclaw and will be doing Naches pass Wa BDR and singletrack stuff. You think I can get away with the softer nitro version to get better off road feel while still being acceptable for limited highway use?