Xtrainer oil injection durability??

[Sierra_rider]

5 minutes ago, firffighter said:

That's fine to have that opinion, but to disregard the multitude of satisfied owner's is not objectively looking at the situation.  

I don't think either one of use is disregarding the fact that there are many satisfied owners...we're just acknowledging the fact that the electrical quality on the Beta's leave a lot to be desired. Even if OI failure is a low-frequency event, it is a very expensive failure when it does happen.

Although some disagree, I don't see OI offering enough of a benefit to offset the risk that goes with it.

Edited November 3, 2017 by Sierra_rider

[shrubitup]

One way to mitigate possible OI failure is to always run 100:1 Opti-2 or Amsoil Saber along with your OI too. 

[swamp123]

My oil injection has been flawless on my 2015 XTRAINER  and has been great on 2 of the 300RR bikes that ride here. Personally I love it. I ride every day sometimes three sessions/ day. Its so much easier to just dump gas in the tank. 

I use the amsoil dominator oil. Fwiw.

[GP]

Just now, firffighter said:

That's fine to have that opinion, but to disregard the multitude of satisfied owner's is not objectively looking at the situation.  

How about this analogy: Your a fireman.  So use SCBA I assume.  System is reliable.  New system comes out(lets just assume its been certified for now) that is more comfortable and lighter, but it has several potential design failure points the tried and true system did not.  There have been some failures reported since its release.  What are you taking into the burning building with you?

Yes, its my opinion that it is a flawed design for the application.  It is fact however, why it exists in the first place.

[GP]

4 minutes ago, shrubitup said:

One way to mitigate possible OI failure is to always run 100:1 Opti-2 or Amsoil Saber along with your OI too. 

Then why bother?

[GP]

20 minutes ago, Sierra_rider said:

I don't think either one of use is disregarding the fact that there are many satisfied owners...we're just acknowledging the fact that the electrical quality on the Beta's leave a lot to be desired. Even if OI failure is a low-frequency event, it is a very expensive failure when it does happen.

Although some disagree, I don't see OI offering enough of a benefit to offset the risk that goes with it.

Exactly.  Moderate risk, High impact, in risk management framework jargon.

Its just a simple question if not premixing is worth it, that's all.

[Bedunjgi]

[RevyRoamer]

1 hour ago, GP said:

Yes.  I really don't care who didn't have a problem with the system.  I trust my  engineering experience over Youtube video and forum comments from people who have no technical clue and gladly eat crap the factory serves up thinking all is well.  Fact is this exists so they can continue to sell bikes, and its done as cheaply as they feel they can get away with.  That's how the mfg business works.   You do not get the best, you get what they are willing to spend to solve the problem while maintaining profit, and a certain percentage of failure is factored in and considered acceptable. 

Everything made can potentially break.

So by your theory then we should buy no products from manufacturers. 

Building our own is the correct way to go so its done right.

 

I am going to be too busy building things now so i may as well sell all the bikes. No time to ride anyway as I will be making my own things.

No more junk made by others. 

 

Besides the warranty claims should be so high of a cost they went bankrupt long ago if the system is so prone to failure.

 

Just checked, they are still in business...

Edited November 3, 2017 by RevyRoamer

[GP]

2 minutes ago, RevyRoamer said:

Everything made can potentially break.

So by your theory then we should buy no products from manufacturers. 

Building our own is the correct way to go so its done right.

 

I am going to be too busy building things now so i may as well sell all the bikes. No time to ride anyway as I will be making my own things.

No more junk made by others.

I think the last posts by Sierra_rider and myself summed it up. 

[firffighter]

6 minutes ago, RevyRoamer said:

Everything made can potentially break.

So by your theory then we should buy no products from manufacturers. 

Building our own is the correct way to go so its done right.

 

I am going to be too busy building things now so i may as well sell all the bikes. No time to ride anyway as I will be making my own things.

No more junk made by others. 

 

Besides the warranty claims should be so high of a cost they went bankrupt long ago if the system is so prone to failure.

 

Just checked, they are still in business...

I'm not going to argue that there is or is not an ongoing problem and since I do not own an OI bike,  I'll bow out of the discussion.  But I agree with the above poster that there are a litany of things that "could" go wrong with a dirt bike and every new innovation that hits the industry brings out the naysayers. 

And to bring out a life saving piece of apparatus for the fire service as a comparison to OI on a Beta is just a slight stretch, lol!

[BobinIndy]

Mine worked great until it failed at around 61 hours. I always checked the system components over closely before and after each ride. After a 90 mile dual sport I was going over the system and noticed one of the wires to the pump connector had broken. I really liked the notion of it, but won’t risk another failure... so I removed it.

[wwguy]

On 11/2/2017 at 0:28 PM, firffighter said:

Been following the OI Betas since they came out nearly 2 years ago.  Have not read or heard of any widespread problems with the system. 

<snip>

Again, have not heard of any ongoing issues, but there are those who choose to remove and do block off for various reasons.  

 

17 hours ago, firffighter said:

This has been discussed a lot and you can definitely draw your own conclusions after reading through lots of posts.  

 

28 minutes ago, firffighter said:

I'm not going to argue that there is or is not an ongoing problem and since I do not own an OI bike,  I'll bow out of the discussion. 

I'm so confused... ?

[firffighter]

4 minutes ago, wwguy said:

 

 

I'm so confused... ?

Not sure what you're baffled by.

Tons of  discussion on the topic, doesn't appear widespread from those who own them,  I, along with  GP and many other's,  don't own an OI Beta and argue each side without 1st hand experience , so OP should take all of this into consideration. 

Seems straight forward.  

[RevyRoamer]

Something to remember is that only a small segment of the riding population is on this forum. Then factor in that some of the people join a forum to complain about whatever it is.

So the numbers tend to get swayed as far more negative than it is in the real world all to often.

 

Could it fail? Yes.

 

But ask yourself this.

If it was very prone to failure Beta would have fixed it by now. 

To save their reputation as a premium bike maker.

Also because of the cost to warranty all those new bikes with repairs due to a manufacturing defect, so under warranty. 

When snowmobiles went to oil injection a long time ago now. There was a panic amongst the older riders who fight change.

For many years now I have not seen any new snowmobiles without OI.

I live where snowmobiles are a huge tourist attraction. 

So many riders some days it is ludicrous. 

I have towed broken sleds out of the mountains. 

Personally know a lot of riders.

Never has so much as even one snowmobile engine failure that I know of been attributed to the failure of the oil injection system.

 

My tendancy is to make decisions based on logic and common sense. Instead of rumors and out of control emotional knee jerk reactions.  

 

Just remember that when reading posts on an internet forum spreading horror stories about products, to read them with a grain of salt.

 

And that sometimes those spreading the horror stories have not ever seen these things happen. 

My first hand account with owning not just 1, but 2, is that it is a great system.

Sure wish all my 2 strokes has OI.

 

[Sierra_rider]

7 hours ago, RevyRoamer said:

Everything made can potentially break.

So by your theory then we should buy no products from manufacturers. 

Building our own is the correct way to go so its done right.

 

I am going to be too busy building things now so i may as well sell all the bikes. No time to ride anyway as I will be making my own things.

No more junk made by others. 

 

Besides the warranty claims should be so high of a cost they went bankrupt long ago if the system is so prone to failure.

 

Just checked, they are still in business...

 

I'm not saying we shouldn't buy an OI Beta...in fact, I think Beta makes the best offroad bikes on the market right. However, I'm not blind to the fact that electronics are the weak link on a Beta. I don't even think the concept of the OI is bad, just that electrical quality has proven to be a little suspect on Beta's. The OI on the Beta seems like a high-risk feature and carries very little upside. I'll take the added reliability and lesser weight of my non-OI race edition.

[ohiodrz400sm]

I think a more important question is has anyone seized an engine due to OI failure and Beta NOT fixed it free of charge?

 

 

[highmarker]

talked to 2 people that had it OVER oiling and were gonna take it back to the dealer

Totally different system than the mikuni oil pumps used on snowmobiles for years, their reliability has been good but not really comparable to what beta has going on. It's new and needs to be proven time will tell. I haven't  noticed them smoking more or less than any other premix bike so far.

Edited November 4, 2017 by highmarker

[highmarker]

On 11/2/2017 at 9:37 AM, zig06 said:

Just spotted that Beta finally released some details on the '18 300 Xtrainer which I've always been interested in.  With no dealership close by I'm wondering how everyone that owns an Xtrainer has been getting along with the oil injection?, any problems with this system or nagging issues with the bike? 

I really do like the looks of the bike and the "proper" location for the electric starter, just need to know if it's worth a 3 hour drive one way to my closest dealership.

if you wanna drive up to Canada you can get a 250 xtrainer

[wwguy]

1 hour ago, ohiodrz400sm said:

I think a more important question is has anyone seized an engine due to OI failure and Beta NOT fixed it free of charge?

Yes.  Beta warranty covers manufacturing and assembly defects for 6 months.  It doesn't cover diodes and capacitors corroding due to water, electrical connectors breaking in the airbox, wires breaking off of electrical connectors, oil port coming loose from intake manifold, and other things deemed "normal wear and tear" by Beta.

Here's an example.

[ohiodrz400sm]

Yes.  Beta warranty covers manufacturing and assembly defects for 6 months.  It doesn't cover diodes and capacitors corroding due to water, electrical connectors breaking in the airbox, wires breaking off of electrical connectors, oil port coming loose from intake manifold, and other things deemed "normal wear and tear" by Beta.



Here's an example.

That's disappointing. I wonder if the Dealer actually made the case to Beta USA ?