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YZ250x setup for Romaniacs / Erzberg events / extreme / hard enduro

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What do you guys think is the proper way to setup a bike for one of these events?

 

The bike we could start with is a 2016/17 YZ 250x.

 

What gearing would you run?  What details in the setup do you think would be the most forgiving?  Any pipe changes or is stock good enough?

 

 

I am the most curious about the motor, the carb, suspension and perhaps tires.  would you change to a hydro clutch?   What Jetting or carb for sea level up to 2000ft?

 

money is no object just the most complete package yz you can come up with.

 

lets hear it.    

 

 

 

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First off you did ask about a Yamaha ! Great Choice !  DON't Drink the Pumpkin Juice and you will be fine ! Everyone who gives there opinion on an X and hasn't ridden one , has NO idea . You should get plenty of GOOD opinions  from your question . I just had to vent with that one Line ! Good Luck !

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For a typical eastern harescramble or enduro, the "X" is a great match for anything orange.  But I gotta agree with the first reply, when it comes to that crazy stuff, the YZ has NO advantages--only disadvantages (no elec start, less smooth power, too tall first gear, cable clutch).  Maybe a Rekluse clutch could offset some of the disadvantage, but other than a few rides on equipped bikes, I don't have a lot of experience with that product.

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Id be gearing up the rear a few teeth , or dropping the front and rear to the same effect , to counteract the tall first gear. (I have used 13/48) 

 

I'd be putting one a fairly heavy flywheel weight.

 

I personally wouldn't bother with a hydro clutch, use a good quality lever and perch like a pro taper. The magura clutch faded bad when hot.

 

Wiring up a fan would be an idea. Use a lithium battery within the airbox.

 

Rekluse would be an option , but I'm not sure if reliability can be trusted over a few days , as there is no external free play adjuster on the yz to start.

 

For the record , I have ridden erzberg and many a hard enduro in the Uk. 

 

I have lots of experience of riding yz's in the woods.

 

I must admit my main gripes are :-

 

Tall 1st gear, no elec start ( Very handy for extreme enduro!!), oversize tank .. prob needed. The power is plenty smooth enough, but defo add a flywheel weight.

 

Jetting wise. Drop the pilot slightly and the main to around 178. 

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Always someone drinking it....

BUT, I agree, the extreme enduro stuff is a whole different level. It's tough to compete with Euro bikes because they are so equipped.

Eastern woods, western desert, the yz or yzx is a fantastic option.Erzberg...I don't see it.

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with the 13 front and the wr 1st and second ive got a lower 1st than the orange and still get 125km/h top.

i know this is an ad on but apart from the little girl button i dont get why you guys say its not capable for extreme conditions?

the motor is plenty smooth and not as tiring as the normal yz so...?

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with the 13 front and the wr 1st and second ive got a lower 1st than the orange and still get 125km/h top.

i know this is an ad on but apart from the little girl button i dont get why you guys say its not capable for extreme conditions?

the motor is plenty smooth and not as tiring as the normal yz so...?

 

I rode my 295 for years in extreme condidtions, it's just that there are much better options nowadays. The "little girl button" is actually kind of a big deal if you're racing a hard enduro.

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ok "little girl button" was a little harsh sorry

i do get the value 

just get a bit worked up when people keep knocking the x because it doesnt have one (not saying you did) 

Yamaha should use their already proven parts and throw it in the mix

make what the people want,even if its as an optional extra, buuuut we have been through all of that....

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with the 13 front and the wr 1st and second ive got a lower 1st than the orange and still get 125km/h top.

i know this is an ad on but apart from the little girl button i dont get why you guys say its not capable for extreme conditions?

the motor is plenty smooth and not as tiring as the normal yz so...?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the yzx for extreme stuff.  

 

The suspension blows away everyone, and the links dont hang down like bulls nutz like the KTM and Beta.  Beta has girl like ground clearence, ktm's is better but still have their nutz hanging in the breeze.  No bike is better then yam in these categories other then a KTM with PDS.

 

The seat height on beta and yammies are lower then ktm linked bikes and pds.  advantage beta and yammie, but again yams have better ground cliearance.

 

Gearing-, gear the yam lower and KTM W's and Beta's advantage it gone.

 

Yams have no estart- advantage yammie.  Go buy a Rekluse ZSP and you wont stall like Jarvis does.  While Beta's and KTMs are frantically thumb stabbing their bikes to life you are gone.

 

No electric fan- this is the only disadvantage I can thing of with yams.  While they are one of the last to steam they still will and in extreme stuff you will likely see it.  You could put one on but I'm unsure how long a battery would last you.

 

I have a YZ250 and a KTM 250W.  Right now I'd take my ktm over my yz, becuase it doesnt have the stuff an X has and the fan is a pretty big deal.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the yzx for extreme stuff.  

 

The suspension blows away everyone, and the links dont hang down like bulls nutz like the KTM and Beta.  Beta has girl like ground clearence, ktm's is better but still have their nutz hanging in the breeze.  No bike is better then yam in these categories other then a KTM with PDS.

 

The seat height on beta and yammies are lower then ktm linked bikes and pds.  advantage beta and yammie, but again yams have better ground cliearance.

 

Gearing-, gear the yam lower and KTM W's and Beta's advantage it gone.

 

Yams have no estart- advantage yammie.  Go buy a Rekluse ZSP and you wont stall like Jarvis does.  While Beta's and KTMs are frantically thumb stabbing their bikes to life you are gone.

 

No electric fan- this is the only disadvantage I can thing of with yams.  While they are one of the last to steam they still will and in extreme stuff you will likely see it.  You could put one on but I'm unsure how long a battery would last you.

 

I have a YZ250 and a KTM 250W.  Right now I'd take my ktm over my yz, becuase it doesnt have the stuff an X has and the fan is a pretty big deal.

 

You always blow the ground clearance thing way outta proportion. I've raced a hard enduro as well as ride some nasty, rocky, technical stuff...I've never found the linkage to be a huge deal. With a little skill you can really avoid casing a lot of the rocks...the ones I do hit, I would've hit them with my yz too. One definite advantage to the Beta and something I think Yamaha figured out on the X, is how to make the pipe tuck up a little higher and out of the way. The always "innovative" Ktm has yet to address this, all of my Ktm buddies thought I was nuts when I took my pipe guard off the Beta.

 

As far as the e-start/rekluse debate...when I raced KoM, I didn't really have a problem of stalling with my manual clutch, maybe only stalled a handful of times. I was taking a lot of the gnarlier lines that mostly pros were using as there was massive bottlenecks in the "easy" lines. It was kinda nice to be able to tactically kill the bike to get back into position without rolling back, whenever I'd lose my footing on the pegs. 

 

The fan thing...I don't really think that's an issue unless you riding Ktm. I don't know why, but Ktm's just boil over easier than most other bikes. My 300xc would boil over occasionally, my yz didn't boil, and the Beta only boiled once on a 100 degree day when I royally screwed up on what we call "the hill of death." 

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I am a decent expert vet rider. I've won a bunch of local expert class titles in my age bracket. I race in New Emgland and have done some extreme events including the Corduroy Enduro up in Canada. The setup that I run on my YZ250X is as good as anything I have raced. And i have had multiple KTM 200's, 250's, and 300's both xc and xcw.

I run a full rekluse auto clutch (the expensive one), a 36mm Lectron carb with power jet, reed spacer removed (better clearance for shock spring and makes the first 1/4 throttle very smooth), stock pipe, fmf power core 2 silencer (med length), G2 throttle tamer, 13oz flywheel weight, 14/51 gearing, scotts damper, Clarke gas tank, revalved suspension, msr clutch perch lever with shorter lever, No Toil air filter. It took me all year to get the bike this good but it was worth all the testing and experimenting I did. The Rekluse is bullet proof with the exception that if you lose your kick starter, you are screwed and wont be able to start the bike.

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You always blow the ground clearance thing way outta proportion. I've raced a hard enduro as well as ride some nasty, rocky, technical stuff...I've never found the linkage to be a huge deal. With a little skill you can really avoid casing a lot of the rocks...the ones I do hit, I would've hit them with my yz too. One definite advantage to the Beta and something I think Yamaha figured out on the X, is how to make the pipe tuck up a little higher and out of the way. The always "innovative" Ktm has yet to address this, all of my Ktm buddies thought I was nuts when I took my pipe guard off the Beta.

 

As far as the e-start/rekluse debate...when I raced KoM, I didn't really have a problem of stalling with my manual clutch, maybe only stalled a handful of times. I was taking a lot of the gnarlier lines that mostly pros were using as there was massive bottlenecks in the "easy" lines. It was kinda nice to be able to tactically kill the bike to get back into position without rolling back, whenever I'd lose my footing on the pegs. 

 

The fan thing...I don't really think that's an issue unless you riding Ktm. I don't know why, but Ktm's just boil over easier than most other bikes. My 300xc would boil over occasionally, my yz didn't boil, and the Beta only boiled once on a 100 degree day when I royally screwed up on what we call "the hill of death." 

While your avoiding casing, I'm clearing things your not because there are more lines available to me.  ?

 

Your "tucked up" pipe is due to your low ground clearance.  Add to that your low hanging nuts dragging on the trail and your STILL avoiding things where others dont need to. There is a reason they build those $$ link guards.?

 

I watched your vid and you do have skills, shame you wasted them while on a bike that stalls.  ?  Also a shame you dont have enough faith in yourself to remember to twist the throttle so you dont go backwards. ?  However if I were in a race I would highly advocate others use a manual in tech.  It makes my job SOOOOooooo much easier.  ? 

 

yup the beta and yams dont boil that much, as I said-advantage to them BUT we are talking extreme here and a well set up bike that steams on occassion should probably still consider it.  KTM 250's arent known to be steamers either but mine sure does and a fan is the deal for it.  Although Evans might be a good choice for the yam or beta too.

 

The point is, the yzx doesnt take a back seat to any brand.  You set it up to negate it's weaknesses just like any brand.  For the yammie, a superior Rekluse over estart, for a Beta maybe a set of bigger wheels for ground clearance, maybe a diet too.  lol

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Take off gas cap and ride a KTM 300 under it, because you will have electric start, six speed trans, better brakes, and lighter weight, sorry could not help myself, no pro will ride the Yamaha on true extreme enduro.

The yz is lighter ! You should do some research before you let your mouth run!
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