What do the top extreme enduro riders use for a rear tire?

[kashtyaatsi]

I guess this could  be related..
 
https://www.motocrosscenter.com/shop/en/camaras-mousse-tubeless/374184-mousse-risemousse-x-edition-enduro-rear-12090-18-mep-120-90-18xe.html?idRecommendation=4-374184&idPrevPage=5586

Wow. I'd be really interested to hear from someone who tried that thing out.

[hawaiidirtrider]

6 minutes ago, kashtyaatsi said:

On 12/9/2018 at 12:29 AM, hawaiidirtrider said:

I guess this could  be related..
 
https://www.motocrosscenter.com/shop/en/camaras-mousse-tubeless/374184-mousse-risemousse-x-edition-enduro-rear-12090-18-mep-120-90-18xe.html?idRecommendation=4-374184&idPrevPage=5586

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Wow. I'd be really interested to hear from someone who tried that thing out.

I just use a tube. I figure one of you guys might fill in on how this might work. It is trippy looking. It might be great?? Guys use tubliss here and I’ve never seen anyone with a mousse

Edited December 10, 2018 by hawaiidirtrider

[kashtyaatsi]

I just use a tube. I figure one of you guys might fill in on how this might work. It is trippy looking. It might be great?? Guys use tubliss here and I’ve never seen anyone with a mousse

I use mousses now. Used to use tubliss until I got a double flat one day before tko this year. I still like the tubliss system but I'm not willing to risk it. A drilled rear mousse feels just as good as the low pressure of tubliss and I actually like the front mousse feel better. I was very skeptical of the mousse at first but ended up liking them.

[hawaiidirtrider]

19 minutes ago, kashtyaatsi said:

I use mousses now. Used to use tubliss until I got a double flat one day before tko this year. I still like the tubliss system but I'm not willing to risk it. A drilled rear mousse feels just as good as the low pressure of tubliss and I actually like the front mousse feel better. I was very skeptical of the mousse at first but ended up liking them.

What brand or whatever setup for mousse do you use? Maybe I could try it. It’s something to think about at least. Luckily I haven’t had a rear flat in many years. My luck it happens on my next ride now. I’d like it in the around 5 lb or so equivalent air pressure. What’s good is with air I could drop pressure even lower if need be. No free lunch I guess. No flats with a mousse. That’s a nice edge.

Edited December 10, 2018 by hawaiidirtrider

[Oregon Comrade]

24 minutes ago, hawaiidirtrider said:

What brand or whatever setup for mousse do you use? Maybe I could try it. It’s something to think about at least. Luckily I haven’t had a rear flat in many years. My luck it happens on my next ride now. I’d like it in the around 5 lb or so equivalent air pressure. What’s good is with air I could drop pressure even lower if need be. No free lunch I guess. No flats with a mousse. That’s a nice edge.

You just jinxed yourself dude!

41 minutes ago, kashtyaatsi said:

I use mousses now. Used to use tubliss until I got a double flat one day before tko this year. I still like the tubliss system but I'm not willing to risk it. A drilled rear mousse feels just as good as the low pressure of tubliss and I actually like the front mousse feel better. I was very skeptical of the mousse at first but ended up liking them.

Can you give us the lowdown on how you drill them?

[kashtyaatsi]

Can you give us the lowdown on how you drill them?

I use nitro mousse now. I drill the rear 3/4 in holes every 3 inches. I'd say its probably around the 7 psi mark. I'd like it a tiny bit softer, but I don't wanna compromise the life of the mousse too much by drilling huge holes. I think I will continue using nitro in the front, but might try to find a softer mousse for the rear. I also want to add that the 7 psi feeling in the mousse does not equal the same feeling as 7 psi of air. Even when the mousse was not drill and it was at their claimed 11-12 psi I had WAY more traction than I would have if I had a tube at 12 psi. Not sure why.

[bradluke0]

I will do my best here to explain it . When a tire with a tube and 12 psi hits a rock the pressure in the tire goes up . So the rest of the tire , that is trying to grab other rocks , might be at 14 psi . A mousse doesn't act like that . Hope that helps . It was shown to me , not explained , I hope I got it right .

[kashtyaatsi]

I will do my best here to explain it . When a tire with a tube and 12 psi hits a rock the pressure in the tire goes up . So the rest of the tire , that is trying to grab other rocks , might be at 14 psi . A mousse doesn't act like that . Hope that helps . It was shown to me , not explained , I hope I got it right .

Yeah that makes sense I suppose.

[Oregon Comrade]

16 hours ago, bradluke0 said:

I will do my best here to explain it . When a tire with a tube and 12 psi hits a rock the pressure in the tire goes up . So the rest of the tire , that is trying to grab other rocks , might be at 14 psi . A mousse doesn't act like that . Hope that helps . It was shown to me , not explained , I hope I got it right .

Very good observation, I had never considered that!  It's the classic P1 * V1 = P2 * V2 equation.  If you hit a rock your volume goes down, to keep the equation balanced, pressure must go up to compensate.

Mousse FTW....

[adam728]

Very good observation, I had never considered that!  It's the classic P1 * V1 = P2 * V2 equation.  If you hit a rock your volume goes down, to keep the equation balanced, pressure must go up to compensate.



Mousse FTW....

The thing is, V1 and V2 are very close to one another, I doubt the change is even close to 10%. And a progressive air spring isn't exactly a bad characteristic in an off road tire.

[bradluke0]

Using the same tires with tubes and mousses I get better traction with a mousse . I also like that dead feeling of a mousse and the ability to just bash over stuff without picking a smoother line . 

[hawaiidirtrider]

14 hours ago, bradluke0 said:

Using the same tires with tubes and mousses I get better traction with a mousse . I also like that dead feeling of a mousse and the ability to just bash over stuff without picking a smoother line . 

What kind of terrain and weather and what is your estimated air pressure equivalent.

[bradluke0]

Hard pack clay and rocks . Weather changes a bunch . They feel about 12 psi when new and about 6 or 8 when worn in pretty good . 

[hawaiidirtrider]

1 hour ago, bradluke0 said:

Hard pack clay and rocks . Weather changes a bunch . They feel about 12 psi when new and about 6 or 8 when worn in pretty good . 

That may work in some places in certain situations well. Here it’s common for guys to be running 3-6 lbs or so in slippery mud situations.  So I’m guessing you keep drilling holes in a moosse? Thats the thing as I see the benefit in no flats with a mousse for sure but usually guys run about 7 lbs or 8. Then if it starts raining then pressure gets dropped down till there’s some traction.. usually around 3 to 5 ish .  I’m guessing that’s why guys have only gone to tubliss so far. I just haven’t seen any even try a mousse here.

Edited December 15, 2018 by hawaiidirtrider

[hawaiidirtrider]

1 hour ago, bradluke0 said:

Hard pack clay and rocks . Weather changes a bunch . They feel about 12 psi when new and about 6 or 8 when worn in pretty good . 

So mud included here?

[bradluke0]

yes , mud too .

[joey330]

20 hours ago, hawaiidirtrider said:

So mud included here?

In Hawaii you get rocks and mud.

I'd be interested to hear your tire(s) of choice. Here in the NE it is in between weather, frozen or not frozen. I am looking at getting a tire for mud/slick ST and rocks as well. Obviously there has to be a trade off, just wondering what you ride.

VE-33S, M5B EVO, 216SX?

[hawaiidirtrider]

25 minutes ago, joey330 said:

In Hawaii you get rocks and mud.

I'd be interested to hear your tire(s) of choice. Here in the NE it is in between weather, frozen or not frozen. I am looking at getting a tire for mud/slick ST and rocks as well. Obviously there has to be a trade off, just wondering what you ride.

VE-33S, M5B EVO, 216SX?

Well for you guys sometimes you guys run studded tires with snow and ice right? You guys are in a different element for sure. We have our own clay mud slippery volcanic stuff. Typically guys run different trials tires and hybrid tires like a kenda Ibex rear or an MT16 Pirelli as an old intermediate  favorite. Guys are usingother intermediate hybrid softer tire knob shinko 505 and 525 etc.  

M5B work shitty here. They are huge and look like they might be good but they suck to me. I took off a 140 after about 5 rides. The compound doesn’t hook up. Tire does look cool though. 

I think it’s interesting to see what guys run from different parts of the world. Sometimes the same tire might work and sometimes no way. I tried an ice mitas and that didn’t work well. Especially the side knobs. 

Edited December 15, 2018 by hawaiidirtrider

[joey330]

47 minutes ago, hawaiidirtrider said:

Well for you guys sometimes you guys run studded tires with snow and ice right? You guys are in a different element for sure. We have our own clay mud slippery volcanic stuff. Typically guys run different trials tires and hybrid tires like a kenda Ibex rear or an MT16 Pirelli as an old intermediate  favorite. Guys are usingother intermediate hybrid softer tire knob shinko 505 and 525 etc.  

M5B work shitty here. They are huge and look like they might be good but they suck to me. I took off a 140 after about 5 rides. The compound doesn’t hook up. Tire does look cool though. 

I think it’s interesting to see what guys run from different parts of the world. Sometimes the same tire might work and sometimes no way. I tried an ice mitas and that didn’t work well. Especially the side knobs. 

Yes, when we get the ice and snow, we have our studs on.

We also run the 505 525 etc... I have been thinking about the Ibex but I wasn't sure how it will handle the mud/clay and wetness. 

 

[hawaiidirtrider]

3 hours ago, joey330 said:

Yes, when we get the ice and snow, we have our studs on.

We also run the 505 525 etc... I have been thinking about the Ibex but I wasn't sure how it will handle the mud/clay and wetness. 

 

Well the Ibex is popular here. I had one on and it’s pretty good. It’s hard to figure terrain unless we could ride both places to know.

 

 

 

 

Here’s a few vids just to see...

 

Edited December 16, 2018 by hawaiidirtrider