Who sells Ice racing tires with studs already in them?

[jimmxz]

Thinking of doing some ice racing this year on my CRF450.

Who sells a complete tire with the studs already in them?

Thanks for replies!

[Dodger]

http://www.dirtrider.net/forums3/showthread.php?t=68147

Trelloborg Studded Tires, expensive, but sounds like they'll last many many seasons.

Dodger

[canucklehead_DRZ400]

http://www.dirtrider.net/forums3/showthread.php?t=68147

Trelloborg Studded Tires, expensive, but sounds like they'll last many many seasons.

Dodger

These are fine for winter riding tires but they are NOT ice racing tires. Try some of these custom made beauty's. This is what they use up here in Canada.

http://rockcentralcycle.supersites.ca/icetires/

[NOMADAK]

Most of us in Alaska use Kold Kutter screws that you can buy by the hundred. Just screw them into what ever tire you have laying around. 3-4 per knob. Use an old tube as an extra liner inside the tire to lessen the chance of accidental punctures.

If you are strictly ice racing, an investment in a good set of trelleborgs is a good idea. We have early 80's mx bikes up here that look showroom new. They don't ever get dirty!

[Mike_Thomson]

This guy is looking for profesionally built ICE tires not off road winter tires. Randomly screwed in kold kutters or Trelborgs just won't cut it. Its like telling a supermoto guy to just cut the knobs off his MX tires and go racing. I'll see if I can get a number from the guy I bought mine off of. MIKE

[OLD TIME BIKER]

Jeff Freddette is the guy you're looking for. In addition to being a world class off road racer/ISDE medalist , Jeff is a fantastic ice racer! He's the guy to beat in any ice race he enters. You can contact him at (708) 946-0999. Not only will he be able to sell you the tires you're looking for, he'll give you the info you need to set the bike up properly for the ice. He won't steer you wrong.

Hopefully the "El Nino" mild winter that is predicted won't cancel ice racing for this year!

[NOMADAK]

This guy is looking for profesionally built ICE tires not off road winter tires. Randomly screwed in kold kutters or Trelborgs just won't cut it. Its like telling a supermoto guy to just cut the knobs off his MX tires and go racing. I'll see if I can get a number from the guy I bought mine off of. MIKE

I don't know how you folks in Canada do things. The description I gave of how we build our ice tires works for far less than a set of Trelleborgs or other ice racing tires. I don't ride off road in the winter except for ice racing. WE race on a frozen lake, roughly a 3/8ths mile oval. Speeds are 60-70mph in the pro class.

"Randomly screwed in Kold Kutters" are used in all classes here with great success and performance, PRO to NOVICE! The very few that can afford the Trelleborgs don't have an advantage of any note.

[canucklehead_DRZ400]

I don't know how you folks in Canada do things. The description I gave of how we build our ice tires works for far less than a set of Trelleborgs or other ice racing tires. I don't ride off road in the winter except for ice racing. WE race on a frozen lake, roughly a 3/8ths mile oval. Speeds are 60-70mph in the pro class.

"Randomly screwed in Kold Kutters" are used in all classes here with great success and performance, PRO to NOVICE! The very few that can afford the Trelleborgs don't have an advantage of any note.

Out in Western Canada this type of tire is used. Stud position and the profile of the tire depends on whether it is an endurance (turn both ways) or an oval application.

http://rockcentralcycle.supersites.ca/icetires/

[Mike_Thomson]

Kold Kutters are indeed used in Canada but to assume that randomly screwing them in will give you ultimate results would be foolish. There is a science to placement angle and the pitch of the slot, some screws are set up for acceleration some for braking. Its a science and both the numbers you have been given will get you what you need.

Trelborgs are play tires for guys who want to ride off road in the winter, hardly an ICE racing tire. MIKE

[STILL_KICKIN]

Kold Kutters are indeed used in Canada but to assume that randomly screwing them in will give you ultimate results would be foolish. There is a science to placement angle and the pitch of the slot, some screws are set up for acceleration some for braking. Its a science and both the numbers you have been given will get you what you need.

Trelborgs are play tires for guys who want to ride off road in the winter, hardly an ICE racing tire. MIKE

? I did a little Ice racing at Buckeye lake in my younger years, and I used sheet metal screws. Seemed to work for me back then, and all it cost was some screws and new tires.

If you've never done it, be prepared to spend hours, and fall often while learning the technique. I would install bark busters too.

When I was learning I didn't have barkbusters on my 250 Maco, and I high sided. When the bike landed on the right side, the throttle hammered in the ice and stuck wide open. Talk about scrambling for the kill switch!!

Good Luck and have fun!!!

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[cb1862003]

Jeff Freddette is the guy you're looking for. In addition to being a world class off road racer/ISDE medalist , Jeff is a fantastic ice racer! He's the guy to beat in any ice race he enters. You can contact him at (708) 946-0999. Not only will he be able to sell you the tires you're looking for, he'll give you the info you need to set the bike up properly for the ice. He won't steer you wrong.

Hopefully the "El Nino" mild winter that is predicted won't cancel ice racing for this year!

+1

all of us around here run Fredettes. making them yourself is fine, if everyone you're ridding with does the same, but if one person has pro built tires, you're at an automatic disadvantage.

[Layton]

I have the Trelleborgs and they are great for winter off road riding but I wouldn't want to Ice race with them.

Get the Fredette tires for ice racing.

[DROB]

Try www.winterstuds.com. They may have what you are looking for.

The also do custom studing so maybe they can make you what you are looking for if they don't stock it.

[PumpkinHumper]

Kold Kutters are indeed used in Canada but to assume that randomly screwing them in will give you ultimate results would be foolish. There is a science to placement angle and the pitch of the slot, some screws are set up for acceleration some for braking. Its a science and both the numbers you have been given will get you what you need.

Trelborgs are play tires for guys who want to ride off road in the winter, hardly an ICE racing tire. MIKE

Exactly right

Trelly's work great for offroad riding but suck on the ice.

If all the guys you are riding with are on "homemade" ice tires then thats fine. But like the other guy said. If one guy is on pro built tires the game is over for the rest of you. Pro tires ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTH THE MONEY.

I have the numbers of a few guys that stud tires in and around Michigan. They are at work. If I think of it I will post them.

Ferdette is a good choice though. One of the guys near me is Craig Picket. He knows his stuff. The other local guy is a Byron tire. He is a withered old guy near Flint but man can he make tires. You have to be someone important for him to make you a tire. Craig P learned how to make tires from the old man.

I have the numbers of a few other guys in Minnisota that make them as well. Ill try and get them on here.

Oh and roll those tires on ONLY ICE. When taking the bike on and off the ice the bike has to be pushed and the tires MUST have tire wraps on them.

[PumpkinHumper]

Tire studders

Craig Picket

11403 Odell Rd

Linden, Mi

(810) 735-5703

Janssen Racing

(920) 766-3411

Ask for John

Heath Holste

wheelieheath@hotmail.com

$500 a set.

Up here in Michigan the Dunlop K490 front and Kenda K-335 rear seem to be the Hot setup ( I just happen to have one of each hanging in the shed waiting for studs)

[MotoJay]

If you've never done it, be prepared to spend hours, and fall often while learning the technique

If you are running sheet metal screws or a really poorly built tire yes, by all means wear extra pads, you will slip under acceleration and braking and turning. If you have a properly built ice racing tire, with good ice screws at the correct angle you will be able to ride like you are on pavement, any speed any lean, it takes hours to make a good tire, I'm lucky enough to know a guy that will do it for a fee, and he is the go to guy for Minnesota, His name is Heath. I have heard great things about tires coming out of Canada and of course there are the Fredette's that are super popular and perform great.

[Tocramed]

To the OP, if you want to race on ice only, go with what yzman400 and motojay have said (and others, they just posted recently).

Check out http://dieseljo.com/ for some good info. You will find info for tire builders there as well.

[ktm300]

Think Trelleborg frozen dirt or bad ice, Freddette or simular "Ice Only".

There is an opption to get longer Canadain style screws if your not racing or in an area that allows them, better traction on snowy ice.

You should be able to find a used set of pro built tires, or you can waist time and money trying copy a set while your buddies lap you all day.

If you intend on trying sheet metal scews or Trelly's on hard ice, make sure your insurance is paid up.

[Skeld]

Is it a waste of time to get some studs and make tires for off roading in the winter? Some snow, dirt, and possibly ice under the snow? You never know I guess. Don't want to bother if I'm just going to end up on my face instantly.

[AlaskanRider]

+1 about trelleborgs being better off road tires than ice racing tires. They just aren't as sharp as those kold kutters.

Especially when it gets colder, and the ice gets harder.

Trelleborgs are really awesome offroad tires though, they have longer studs, and carbide tips so they never wear down. Also you cant spit the studs on the trelleborg, like you can spit screws from softer tires.

Screws offroad are still way better than nothing though.