Is full Ohlins suspension really worth it over a quality revalve?

[PSD_Sun]

Norcal, can you please explain this CSC valve? How it works and where it is at?

My dealer mentioned it to but owners manual doesn't mention it at all.

I rode on the suspension today and it is flat amazing. But it does need more bottoming resistance. I bottomed it very very hard one time when I way over shot a fourth gear pinned jump , well it should have been a 3rd gear jump but I hit it in fourth.

[norcal_hoss]

Look at your ohlins booklet, it will show you your rebound and compression dials. Should show the csc dial also which looks like your rebound. Im not sure if its on the top or bottom of your shock but once you see it and see the reb/compr dials you should know.

With the ohlins stuff there are so many adjustments, I basically set it up close to what the manual says 12/12 (example) Make sure the csc dial is on the base setting, ride the bike and get the reb/comp close to how your starting to like it. Once you get the suspension working decent you can do 1-2 clicks on the csc dial and you should feel a pretty good difference.Its like a fine tune dial. I cant tell you if that is the "way" to do it by the book but thats how I did it. If you turn the dial like 6 turns you will think there is something wrong with your shock lol Its super sensitive. Great suspension just really need to invest the time into learning the set up and how to fine tune it perfectly. If you cant figure something out or have questions, call Stacy Berger at Ohlins USA 1-800-336-9029. Hes a cool dude and can help you with anything you need. Its big $$$ do your best to make it work as good as possible.

[PSD_Sun]

My feet are killing me today from that huge overjump. I missed the landing by 15-20' and where I landed the berm was already starting to rise back up. I could have easily broken my feet as I did once before several years back.

I need more bottoming resistance cause I'm sloppy and occasionally over or under jump something.

Now I didn't ride my usual track nor my usual terrain conditions but I feel I was absolutely faster today than I usually am. I was chasing a friend of mine, that finished 2nd in a VET Pro race and he usually just steadily pulls away on his 450F, well not yesterday. Except for 2 jumps that I wasn't doing (one of these being the jump that eventually hurt me) I could quite easily run his same pace.

I'm pretty excited but I need more absolute bottoming resistance.

[PSD_Sun]

I just called Stacy at Ohlins and the CSC has been replaced w/ a Hi Speed Compression on the new product. So I don't have it.

[Toylee_roosta]

Thanks.

There is a suspension company that is now Jeff Allessis guy / sponsor. Rumor is Mike will be switching to them when the Ohlins deal is up next year. The company is A.R.T. in denver. I won a free revalve from him or I would have never checked them out. Best stuff I have road for local revlaving. Excellent bottoming, very plush in the begging with a progressive dampening. I love the stuff, less arm pump, rolls over the chop. I got the OMC set up (Old Man Cadillac)

Edited November 30, 2012 by TroyLee_Roosta

[VilleKTM]

PDS & Hoss ; I just wanted to point that out to you both. The newest gen. of TTX doesn´t have the CSC dial. It´s replaced by HS comp.

Want to know why those forks go thru travel that easy ? It´s due the fact the piston rod is mere 8mm and thus it "blows thru the oil" (easiest way to explain it) too easily. Like i said gazillion times before thist works fine for woods/trails/enduro and such "easy going in rough stuff" but i never got it to work perfectly for fast MX. We tried to shim around the problem in at least four,five different revalves to no vail. Even Öhlins Sweden (the manufacturer) admitted,in their own way, that shortcoming in design.

You can make them more resistant to by right revalve but untill they change that wimpy piston rod it´ll never be in class with the rear shock - which is amazing.

Edited November 30, 2012 by VilleKTM

[PSD_Sun]

PDS & Hoss ; I just wanted to point that out to you both. The newest gen. of TTX doesn´t have the CSC dial. It´s replaced by HS comp.

Want to know why those forks go thru travel that easy ? It´s due the fact the piston rod is mere 8mm and thus it "blows thru the oil" (easiest way to explain it) too easily. Like i said gazillion times before thist works fine for woods/trails/enduro and such "easy going in rough stuff" but i never got it to work perfectly for fast MX. We tried to shim around the problem in at least four,five different revalves to no vail. Even Öhlins Sweden (the manufacturer) admitted,in their own way, that shortcoming in design.

You can make them more resistant to by right revalve but untill they change that wimpy piston rod it´ll never be in class with the rear shock - which is amazing.

LOL, you called me PDS! Freudian slip!

Anyways, the bottoming occurred in the shock, According to my front fork tube o-ring I still had a 1/4" to go up front. Ohlins isn't magic I guess, you still have to twist those little knobs a little bit. I'm going to see how much bump complaince I lose turning in the rear compression low speed 1-2 clicks. If that doesn't work to my satisfaction I'll send it in to the rebuilder for a stiffer bump stop.

[VilleKTM]

Woops! PSD then ..?. You need to stiffen up the HS comp for flat landings. If you stiffen the LS you´ll not get much respond for you bottoming dilemma on flat landings but you may ruin the overall compliance instead. I don´t have any first hand experience with the new gen TTX shock since it wasn´t available before "the big crash" but i sincerely hope it´s as good as the old design.

[racerxx276]

You can certainly set up your forks to over jump a landing by 15-20 and not bottom , but you won't be getting a small bump ride... the Ohlins forks will always have 1/4 in showing , even when bottoming, so thats not a good way to know if your truly bottoming. Preload is critical on the ohlins and controls bottoming more than oil height. I tend to add more preload and less oil to maintain my small bump ride.

[VilleKTM]

Right! A perfectly set-up suspension will/should bottom slightly over the worst obstacles. The bottoming shouldn´t be an wrist breaking sensation though. I simply wantedto point out the concept and difference HSC/LSC clickers make. Flat landing= controlled by HS since the shaft speed is super high and sudden.

Edited December 3, 2012 by VilleKTM

[PSD_Sun]

The newest Ohlins HSC knobs only have 3 positions. 1,2, and 3. Standard is 2 and if I tightened it up a click that would probably be too far.

Anyways, The forks are going back for the recall and I'm adding the shock to the shipping box as well. I need both ends to have a smidge more bottoming resistance. David suggested possibly just adding an additional 10cc of oil up front and going to a stiffer bump stop in the rear. So that there would be a difference right at the end of the suspension travel but bump complaince would remain unchanged. Does anyone else have experience w/ these particular changes?

I love the bump complaince and it absolutely made me faster. But it's been 4 days since that overjump and I can barely walk from the pain still. A little bit further could have easily broken my feet and in essence ended my MX career as my family nor employer will accept any more injuries.

So I have to get more bottoming resistance. The input I have received around here is a tremendous asset. Thanks!

Edited December 3, 2012 by PSD_Sun

[VilleKTM]

Keep in mind that the bump rubber breaks down fast = a stiffer one used to control bottoming will get very soft (or broken down) very fast. Sounds to me like a band-aid fix at best.

The Öhlins specialist (the shop you bought the stuff from) should know how to tackle this if you explain the problem. I´m still very suspicious over those forks and the piston rod though..

Edited December 3, 2012 by VilleKTM

[racerxx276]

ya know they put those adjusters there for a reason....It always amazes me that folks don't try different settings!

# 3 is firmer but not a lot firmer . I would actually prefer a wider adjustment range than what is offered with the 3 adjustments.

The new shock is superior to the older one with the CSC, I do however miss the CSC adjustment....

[zanesklar175]

How have they been so far im ordering tomorrow and am very curious any regrets?

[Hans Schmid]

How have they been so far im ordering tomorrow and am very curious any regrets?

The fork lugs broke........

[jumpingjackflash]

The fork lugs broke........

Me too!

[Hans Schmid]

Me too!

I think I got you and PDS Sun, mixed up, your the one with broken fork lugs?

[GHILL28]

I'm selling a set of Ohlins suspension if anyone is interested. TTX44 with CSC adjuster. Doesn't fit my current bike.

Fits a 2008 YZ250F, revalved rear, stock front valving, SUPER low hours, stuff had a phenomenal feel to it. Can be configured for different bikes with a clevis change.

PM me!

[zanesklar175]

Ohlins fixed the problem and im getting getting the new fork lugs installed

[PSD_Sun]

Mine didn't break but Ohlins has them for the upgrade.

The suspension is amazing but is to soft for me and is currently in for a free revalve.

Be sure and get them from Dave @ Fast Bike Industries.