Boy did it suck. Went out to my favorite riding spot which was shut down so I rode around the fence cause there was no way I was going home. There were 1000 quad trails and I was sticking to the fire roads trying to get a feel for my new bike in the snow. On my yz250 it was easier to ride this type of snow, but my 450 was not having ANY of it. I was washing out like crazy, my top speed was 2nd gear at engine idle speed... I shit you not. Any faster and either the rear would break loose and the front would wash out, or the front would come to a 1" bump in the hard packed snow and wash out. After 20 minutes I had enough, I spent more time gearing up than riding. Went out and decided to get some sheet metal screws for my bike like I was going to do last year but never did. I did some reading before I left and found that they are just terrible for holding up and the metal is not hardened and will wear quickly. They also said that once they round off, they are more slippery than running just a bare tire, so I looked for some real ice tire studs. I called my dealership and asked what they had and they told me they stocked some gold ice tire screws that worked very well. Told me that the odd few fall out here and there, but they usually last a season or two with the customers they had using them. I bought a pack of 1000, hopefully they will offer much better tracking so I can enjoy myself. I'm not expecting hard packed dirt traction with these studs, if I could I would have bought the real deal studded tires for 200-300$ a pop. My budget agreed to 70$ for 1000 screws and a little do it yourself labor. I drilled in 4 now with my cordless to see if they could easily back out, was wondering if I should use some glue or poxy on the threads. After drilling the four they are in the tire nice and solid and are quite hard to back out, so I'm going to skip the glue on this one. Going to finish this job tomorrow and hopefully I can have a bike that can at least ride the fire roads for a nice cruise and the odd trails that aren't too full of snow for some fun. It seemed like such a waste to just sit all winter not riding, I'm losing my mind staring at my bike not being able to ride it. I've already done my maint for the year and I don't have any major work to do over the winter, as the bike only has 20 hours on it. Hopefully these work out, I'll have a ride report here by sunday me thinks. I want other people who feel discouraged about winter to see that for 70$ you can have a wicked time for the whole season, that is if these things actually hold up.