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DaveJ

Cause for rear hub failure

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Last week I shattered the rear hub and tore apart the rear sprocket on my 426, a week after witnessing the same failure on another 426, on the same track, (see earlier posting).

The hub, chain, sprocket, chain guard, and both rubber chain guides/guards were destroyed.

I now wanted to follow up with you guys and let you know the true cause of the failure.

The short of the story is that three of the six rear sprocket bolts snapped consecutively, allowing all the force to be applied to the remaining bolts. The hub gave way when accelerating hard out of a corner.

What caused the three bolts to snap was too much force against the sprocket, perpendicular to the direction of normal force, which causes the sprocket to fold at the end, which then pulls the bolts out. In other words, the chain was too tight, causing the sprocket to bend out and towards the front of the bike. This may have happened landing a step-down jump (where landing speeds are usually higher than take off speeds), or during acceleration. In either case, it’s only when the suspension is significantly compressed.

This could be a serious concern for others since the chain tension was set within the specification listed in the manual.

Here’s the details.

As many of you may know, when a bike's rear suspension compresses, the chain gets tighter. The tightest point is when the rear axle is the same height as the swing arm pivot. When the suspension is compressed beyond this point, the chain will loosen up again. In other words, the wheelbase of the bike changes when you bounce up and down on it and so does the tension of the chain.

The manual calls for a chain tension of 40 to 50mm (1.6 to 2.0 inches) of slack– from the top of the screw head, located on the top rear of the chain guard, to the bottom edge of the chain. Of course I’m sure many of you have noticed when making this adjustment that you can either casually lift the chain, or really pull up on it when measuring. The difference is about 5 to 10mm.

When I casually lift the chain and measure out 40mm, then match the rear axle height to the swing arm pivot, the chain is very snug...too snug in my mind. If I set the chain to 40mm lifting hard on the chain before the measurement is set, then match rear axle and swing arm pivot heights, the chain is very very tight.

In other words, 40mm of chain slack is going to cause problems unless you really give it some slack. Which is more like 45mm to me.

The setting I choose before this event occurred was 40mm with some slack. I would assume that running a 51 tooth rear sprocket (verses the factory 49) and all the other twisting forces that take effect, would cause an even greater variance (aka tighter chain). A concern which, I assume, would not be as present as on a 2-stroke, (and yes, that’s 40mm of slack after the 51 tooth sprocket was installed).

I also experimented by adjusting the chain when the rear axle and swing arm pivot were at the same height. I noticed that just a quarter of a turn on the adjuster bolt made the difference between enough slack, to tight, to very tight. Which to me means that there is too much play at the 40mm setting to know if you’re going to be safe when you set out to ride.

So with all things considered, I think I would have to recommend that you either set the chain tension to 45 to 50mm, or get very familiar with how tight the chain will be (get) during full movement, for your style of setting a chain to the minimum setting. And don’t assume that the guys at the shop working on your bike know about this.

I already reported the problem to Yamaha , but that was before I concluded the cause. I’ll check back with them and let you know what I find.

Hope this helps.

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You forgot to mention one other thing. Chains stretch, and not evenly. Before adjusting you need to find the spot when it is tightest by turning the wheel a bit, checking it, and so on. When you have the chain at its tightest spot, adjust it there.

Also, most people advise to adjust it cold. I doubt they expand enough when hot to make enough of a difference to matter, but then again I've never checked to be sure so who knows for sure.

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A trick I have been using for decades is while the shock is off the bike, pull the swingarm/rear tyre/chain through it's arc. You can monitor all tension on the chain very easily. Now, you can set the chain tension to allow enough slack to not stress the hub and sprockets when at full extension. When you are happy, put the shock back on. With the bike on it's stand and the rear tyre off the ground, pick a VERY CONVENIENT spot where you can measure the correct slack which you have just correctly set. Commit this number to memory or write it in your manual or tattoo it on your buddy, your dog, your wife/girlfriend or yourself in a spot where you will never forget it (your forehead). Now you will never have to wonder if the next jump will shear your subframe off.

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Kevin,

A wise approach. Did you notice that the low end of the spec for the WR was too tight when the arm was moved up?

Dave

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