I have a 1991 xr600r and its pretty much the only bike I have ever had, with the exception of some old two strokes. After 4-5 years of learning/loving my pig, I have decided (with the permission of the wife) that in the spring its time for a new ride. As excited as I am to be able to finally get a new bike, I am now faced with a decision, that no matter how much I read or think about it, I can't seem to make. I have narrowed it down to the 650r and the crf450x. I have wanted the 650r for a long time, but this weekend had a chance to ride and talk to a crf guy, who pretty much insisted that with what I ride I would need the capabilities of the crf setup. Here is my scenario: I am 24, 225lbs, 6'4", I live in Vermont and ride mostly in the woods. I find a lot of mud and ride some rough terrain, I think that I have made my XR600 do things that it was really was not made to do. One thing I'm not into is hitting huge jumps, don't get me wrong, I like catching some air or riding wheelies off water bars and such, but you won't catch me jumping on a track. I have done some poking around in the crf forum and seem to get that the consensuses is that the crf is a race bike and needs constant attention to keep it from having engine trouble. This would discourage me 100% from buying a used crf, but I would buy a used xr that I new had low miles and seemed to be in decent shape.....this might save me a lot of $$? I also would like to plate the bike, and be able to do some dual sporting, but not for transportation but more to get from trail to trail. Well, sorry for the long post, but I really cant make up my mind on this one, I would love to hear what any of you have to say. I was thinking of posting this in the crf forum also to get some of their opinions.