I have heard that Buchanan stainless spokes are soft (a soft grade of stainless) and stretch excessively. I have been having difficulty getting a set of wheels to seat on my 650. I just had the spokes replaced with 8 gauge ones because the original builder used what I believe to be 9 gauge. These are both Buchanan stainless spokes. Someone told me that RAD has a higher tensile stainless spoke that while smaller than an 8 gauge is stronger and prefers to use an alloy nipple. I'm not sure about aluminum nipples on a 300+ pound desert missle. I am getting mixed reviews on spoke torque as well. I have been told from different walks of wheel building experience torques ranging from 48 inch pounds all the way to 75 inch pounds! Can anyone share their experiences/knowledge/recommendations here? Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with any of the aftermarket hubs?