200? CRF600X (or Brand New XR650R)?????

Real men want this:

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Heheheeh. ATK Intimidator. 700cc 2-stroke. Rip your friggin' arms off. I believe the powerplant for this one came from Maico.

Eric

What is that? Photoshop? Foreign market bike?

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Thats one sweet looking bike. Is that an FCR stuck in there? Just imagine the potential of that thing if someone had some $$$ to do something like that.

I think White Bros should do something like that... :thumbsup:

Where'd the motard come from??

From France...although the concept can be traced back to ABC's "Superbikers" in the early 1980's! :thumbsup:

In Italy people think XR650R has been developed for the american market and american people asked for a "traditional" bike, too similar to the old XR600R while it should have been a modern bike with a different layout (as a CR for ex.) and better suspensions.

That's why it is not popular in Europe (or in Italy at least): to get a modern bike we shoul modify the layout, suspensions, brakes...spending a lot of money.

In Italy the enduro costs 8000 euros, a bunch of money that someone may spend in order to have a final bike not a starting point for many needed modifications.

Uncleroby

So what is the most popular dirt bike in Italy?

In Italy people think XR650R has been developed for the american market and american people asked for a "traditional" bike, too similar to the old XR600R while it should have been a modern bike with a different layout (as a CR for ex.) and better suspensions.

That's why it is not popular in Europe (or in Italy at least): to get a modern bike we shoul modify the layout, suspensions, brakes...spending a lot of money.

In Italy the enduro costs 8000 euros, a bunch of money that someone may spend in order to have a final bike not a starting point for many needed modifications.

Uncleroby

I think the hottest selling dirt bike in Italy isnt the Bulldog.!

Click on the image just to see where that project has been going....

It demonstrates that there are many ways to skin a cat. (thats a fully dual sported diesel motorcycle-and liability isnt an issue for them!)

IN the case of Honda--did you know they have a fuel injected quad with the XR650 motor down at your local dealer.

Obviously the bike must be electric start--and I agree with Qadson--it will be fuel injected. I also agree it will have 550-580cc and it will be dual sported-meaning street legal in the USA. The fuel injection will be the big deal--the mags will hype it big time. Emissions is a big deal all over the planet. The BMW 650 has had fuel injection for 6 years...

Just think Husky TE 510 or the KTM 525--street legal with an aluminum frame and efi. :thumbsup: Late spring '07. $7950

Motard version for europe. Taller gearing on the Oz model. In '09 they come out with black rims...

:thumbsup:

I reckon the most popular are KTM EXC, then Honda CRF by HMmoto, Yamaha WRF, Husqvarna TE.

Our off road is made of tight, mountains trails where with the BRP you can have hard times: too heavy and powerful and too a big piston.

DRZ400E is becoming very popular as you can use it as a commuter and as real enduro bike, plus people is getting tired of the 4 stroke racers' maintainance: change pistons and such is pretty expensive up here.

I use my XR for everything except hard enduro and I really appreciate its robust engine, I made 40.000 kilometers and everything is perfect!

Husqvarna are produced here in Lombardia (a region of North Italy), they are nice bikes but the quality of them is not at jap or Ktm standards.

Uncleroby

I think the hottest selling dirt bike in Italy isnt the Bulldog.!

Click on the image just to see where that project has been going....

It demonstrates that there are many ways to skin a cat. (thats a fully dual sported diesel motorcycle-and liability isnt an issue for them!)

IN the case of Honda--did you know they have a fuel injected quad with the XR650 motor down at your local dealer.

Obviously the bike must be electric start--and I agree with Qadson--it will be fuel injected. I also agree it will have 550-580cc and it will be dual sported-meaning street legal in the USA. The fuel injection will be the big deal--the mags will hype it big time. Emissions is a big deal all over the planet. The BMW 650 has had fuel injection for 6 years...

Just think Husky TE 510 or the KTM 525--street legal with an aluminum frame and efi. :thumbsup: Late spring '07. $7950

Motard version for europe. Taller gearing on the Oz model. In '09 they come out with black rims...

:thumbsup:

Why would Italians like the Bulldog?

It almost looks like a Kawaskaki KLR650. In fact, I bet that company modelled its bikes after the KLR b/c the army has a ton of them. I wonder if these bikes are just retro-fits.

Our off road is made of tight, mountains trails where with the BRP you can have hard times: too heavy and powerful and too a big piston.

A 600 no longer has to weigh 300 lbs. We've seen evidence of this in recent years...as well as evidence of what happens when you try and make 50 hp from too small a piston! There's no replacement for displacement when it comes to power and reliability and being a true open bike, Honda will be free from working from any fragile 450 MX-based design. I hope Honda shoots for the 600 cc mark...there's plenty of other smaller bore bikes out there including their own 450X.

Italians like sport bikes, usually, they prefer a KTM LC4 660/625 SMC than a XR because they are reliable, powerful but with a more "racing look" and better suspensions, brakes and such.

We really do not like XR650L: it is not aggressive enough.

Personally I don't go crazy for Honda's bike but XRs and CRs, the other are good bike but they lack of "personality".

Of course they are the best for quality and technology.

Uncleroby

I thought Italians just rode scooters--by the millions. :thumbsup:

Personally I don't go crazy for Honda's bike but XRs and CRs, the other are good bike but they lack of "personality".

Old British and Italian bikes have plenty of "personality"...but you have to be a mechanic to own one! Out in the bush 30 miles from the truck I'll take reliability any time!

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IN the case of Honda--did you know they have a fuel injected quad with the XR650 motor down at your local dealer.

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while Honda does indeed have a fuel injected quad in their lineup, it's engine bears absolutely no heritage to the xr650. totally different engine series altogether!

I think the hottest selling dirt bike in Italy isnt the Bulldog.!

Click on the image just to see where that project has been going....

It demonstrates that there are many ways to skin a cat. (thats a fully dual sported diesel motorcycle-and liability isnt an issue for them!)

IN the case of Honda--did you know they have a fuel injected quad with the XR650 motor down at your local dealer.

Obviously the bike must be electric start--and I agree with Qadson--it will be fuel injected. I also agree it will have 550-580cc and it will be dual sported-meaning street legal in the USA. The fuel injection will be the big deal--the mags will hype it big time. Emissions is a big deal all over the planet. The BMW 650 has had fuel injection for 6 years...

Just think Husky TE 510 or the KTM 525--street legal with an aluminum frame and efi. :thumbsup: Late spring '07. $7950

Motard version for europe. Taller gearing on the Oz model. In '09 they come out with black rims...

:thumbsup:

I am totally convinced that this is a diesel engine in a KLR650. Just look at the rear fender - it's exactly the same as one on a KLR!!! I guess cheap molded plastic parts are hard to come by..... :confused:

Old British and Italian bikes have plenty of "personality"...but you have to be a mechanic to own one! Out in the bush 30 miles from the truck I'll take reliability any time!

In the past it was true, actually we are improving.

To me reliability is very important as I sure use my bike (I make more kilometers with my bike than with my car...) and that's why I ride an XR.

XR has personality too but with a zick it could be beautiful while it is a too old concept bike.

Honda did a great engine, a good frame, was it so difficult to put on a good suspension and modern plastics? :thumbsup:

By the way in Italy the many brands are produced, and they are not all rusters...:

Ducati, Aprilia, MV Agusta, Husqvarna, Cagiva, Moto Guzzi, TM, Vor, Vertemati, Moto Morini, Benelli, Piaggio, and more.

Many of them are small producer, they don't have japanese technology but they produce nice racing bikes.

Uncleroby

By the way, I have to thank you American guys if XR are build tough, powerful, simple and with no magic button!

Everybody wants the Electric boot, I don't!

The simplier the better!

Uncleroby

hell yea the big xr kicks over easier than my xr80 used to so who needs the added weight of the electric boot, and the risk of the battery going flat and not being able to start it

Old British and Italian bikes have plenty of "personality"...but you have to be a mechanic to own one! Out in the bush 30 miles from the truck I'll take reliability any time!
Yep, there's a lot of neat equipment out there from various far flung places.....it's just that for some machinery, there's often a big difference between wanting one and owning one!

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