Well, decided to buy a new 650r. I keep hearing about leftover 04, or even '03 models. Some even listed on Cycletrader.com. But everyone of them that I've called (the lower priced ones) don't have any and havn't had any for a while. Sounds like the dealer listings on Cycletrader are a joke! Anyone actually know of a dealer with a new, older R for less than $5000??