I am considering getting a 2005 brand new 450 leftover if it can be had at the right price that would make me not want the 06. I am looking in PA, NY, NJ area. There are plenty around, but before I make an offer, I want to know exactly what I should offer. I have considered walking in with 4500 cash and offering it... but that might be insultingly low. The best phone price i have heard is over 5 still. Any advice? I have an 05 250F, so maybe i should wait and try my luck with the 06? Any thoughts would be great.