Now that the snow is flyin I am startin to think about my studded tires a little more. I have 2 sets of tires that I run in the winter. One is for the ice and the other is for the trail. Ice tires are run on nothing but the ice. Trail tires are for everything else. Well I cant afford (or find) a good set of pro built ice tires. Nor can I make them. So I will limp along on the tires that I have. But for trail ridding I want a set of Trellyberg winter friction tires. But there are 2 problems with this. 1. They are bloody expensive, like $600 2. Trelly aint makin them anymore. Some Chineese company took them over and the new ones arn't as good I hear. So my other option is to make a set. But once again there are financial dificulties to overcome with this also. To start the Bruno Wessel Stud Gun that is needes to insert the studs costs about $350. I missed out on one of these on e-bay this fall, it went for $10.50 Then there is the cost of the rally studs, $130 for 500 studs. A set of tires is gonna take over 800 studs. Then there is the cost of 2 new tires. Oh and there is Loctite adhesive that you also need. Plus some acid to clean the studs. So what does that all cost about $700 for the 1st set of tires. OUCH. So I am thinking "if I get a few people in we could offset the cost of the gun" But then no one really own's the gun. So I dug around a little more and wala I find it. A tool rental place in Muskegon has the gun for rent. I am not sure if it is a Bruno Wessel (the most common brand that I know of) But if it is they rent it for $35 a day. I am bettin that I could stud a few tires in 1 day like this. I already have a good set of tires that I could stud. for maybe $250 I think I could stud up a set. Check out these websites. It will give you all a better idea what I am looking to do and the tools involved. www.winterstuds.com http://www.trailrider.com/printer_23.shtml http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dyscofool/mods/studs.html Now IF this works out and I am able to stud a set of tires for a reasonable cost, anyone else interested in something like this? Maybe you supply the tire and I throw them in. Or tell ya's where to rent the gun and you do it yourself. I may offer the tool place like $100 to see if they will sell me there gun. I mean really how much use do you think that thing sees. $100 is probably gonna be 3 years rental fees for them. At any rate I thought I would throw this out there for ya all to chew on. Trelly style tires work and last sooo much longer than ice screw tires. especially offroad. I have a friend that has a set of Trelly's that are like 10 years old and they look like new still.