Synthetic oil?

I tell you, I don't have the money to fix that kind of crap on anu kind of regular basis.

Amen to that brother!

I also looked at several colors, even though I knew I would get the blue one. Yamaha has been very good to me in the past. :cry:

Me and the kid were set on buying hondas in the fall of 02. We went in to the shop and looked them over and were convinced they were the ones for us.

We would have bought them right then and there if we could have gotten a single sales person to come talk to us in the 45 minutes we looked at them and sat on them and messed with them. the dumasses just sat there and bullchitted with each other the whole time.

I have just bought my 7th yamaha in 3 years. Not once have I had to look for help when I walk in the door. :cry:

Me and the kid were set on buying hondas in the fall of 02. We went in to the shop and looked them over and were convinced they were the ones for us.

We would have bought them right then and there if we could have gotten a single sales person to come talk to us in the 45 minutes we looked at them and sat on them and messed with them. the dumasses just sat there and bullchitted with each other the whole time.

I have just bought my 7th yamaha in 3 years. Not once have I had to look for help when I walk in the door. :cry:

:cry:

That gets done to me all the time at motorcycle dealerships.

Me and the kid were set on buying hondas in the fall of 02. We went in to the shop and looked them over and were convinced they were the ones for us.

I have just bought my 7th yamaha in 3 years. :cry:

I'd say that fate smiled upon you, and protected you in a moment of weakness, and that you guys dodged a bullet. :cry:

Hey grayracer, you seem to always back up your opinions with good information. I was wondering what you perceive to be the stronger qualities of Yamaha bikes over Hondas?

I'm somewhat of a newbie to dirtbikes and have only owned my current bike. From what I've heard Yamaha is the king on the engines and honda takes the crown for handling and suspension? I also heard that Yamaha's ergos are better for a taller rider?

Thanks in advance for the education!:cry:

Hey grayracer, you seem to always back up your opinions with good information. I was wondering what you perceive to be the stronger qualities of Yamaha bikes over Hondas?

Looks can be deceiving, but thanks!

For one thing, YZFs have a record of extraordinary toughness that goes back to 1998, whereas the CRF450 was new in '02. The CRF 250 is just a year old, and has already had a long list of difficulties, including oil consumption, breaking cylinder skirts, and valve problems.

I don't like the CRF's oiling system. Dry sump is just a technically superior approach. I love the fact that the CRF's clutch and trans are in their own oil supply, but the engine holds only 700cc full up, and I've had that much oil disappear in a half an hour through an unexpected leak.

Both the 250 and 450 YZFs are more powerful than the Hondas, and with the '05 models, the single biggest edge the red bikes had in my opinion, suspension, is close to being a toss up.

The YZ feels roomier to me, especially when I stand, and while the Honda feels easier to toss into a turn, it feels to me like the Yamaha's steering is more precise as far as picking and changing lines. The Honda is also uncomfortably skittish at speed for my taste.

There's no contest at all between the 250s; the YZF is clearly the better bike. Both the CRF and the YZ450F are excellent rides, but for me, it all boiled down to this: I trust the Yamaha, but not the Honda. So far, I haven't been sorry.

That's what I think.

thanks grayracer. Maybe I'll have the pleasure of buying my second Yamaha in '06 when we get the aluminum frame on the thumpers. :cry:

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