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What Track Features Create the Most Injuries?

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Number of injuries and severity are not the same thing. Clearly, in terms of severity, jumps are the culprit.  I'd be interested to know how many busted knees occur in corners and if in terms of numbers of injuries they outweigh jumps. Or if it's whoops, starts etc? 

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MX is no longer MX, it is just slightly expanded SX.

As has been previously said, MX was supposed to be a race of about a mile on a track on natural terrain. No artificial jumps, no 50 whoops in a row. The problem is making it 'crowd friendly' They have to make the track tight so spectators can 'see it all from the stands'. So you have the horribly tight corners that kill speed and jumps that shoot riders 30+ feet in the air. Spectators love it. But it is not MX. I realize it is a show because advertising dollars support it,

When I raced MX in the 1970's, we did not have the horrific injuries that happen today. Speeds on the track were higher too. No insane jumps, no corners that everyone dived for the inside 'pivot point'. No whoops sections that wanted to induce 'death wobbles'.

The stars are the same as they always were and only the 'gung ho, out of control guys' have a problem with them. You should know in the first 20' if you are in front or going to be mid pack and ride accordingly..

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MX is no longer MX, it is just slightly expanded SX.

As has been previously said, MX was supposed to be a race of about a mile on a track on natural terrain. No artificial jumps, no 50 whoops in a row. The problem is making it 'crowd friendly' They have to make the track tight so spectators can 'see it all from the stands'. So you have the horribly tight corners that kill speed and jumps that shoot riders 30+ feet in the air. Spectators love it. But it is not MX. I realize it is a show because advertising dollars support it,

When I raced MX in the 1970's, we did not have the horrific injuries that happen today. Speeds on the track were higher too. No insane jumps, no corners that everyone dived for the inside 'pivot point'. No whoops sections that wanted to induce 'death wobbles'.

The stars are the same as they always were and only the 'gung ho, out of control guys' have a problem with them. You should know in the first 20' if you are in front or going to be mid pack and ride accordingly..

so what you're trying to say is that mx was lame in the 70's? Mx is still mx it's just evolved, happens in all sports. Sounds like you're taking more about gncc racing instead of mx. Edited by Egdt
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so what you're trying to say is that mx was lame in the 70's? Mx is still mx it's just evolved, happens in all sports. Sounds like you're taking more about gncc racing instead of mx.

Quite the opposite. I think it is lame now.

It is not motocross, it is a stadium show, replacing Barnum and Bailey elephants with people.

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Quite the opposite. I think it is lame now.

It is not motocross, it is a stadium show, replacing Barnum and Bailey elephants with people.

well my opinion means nothing so don't take it too seriously!

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Bikes don't have twin chamber forks and a linkage rear suspension with 13 inches of travel to handle wussy features on natural terrain.  Big jumps have been a main feature of the sport for over 20 years.  Bikes are so good these days that you don't really take much punishment unless you really screw the pooch.

 

It just takes a lot of practice.  People think they can just hop on a bike and go big without taking the time to develop bike skills and reflexes.  That's where the injuries occur.  The majority of crashes I see on youtube are easily preventable with basic skills that develop while you work your way up on small and medium jumps.

 

For those that don't want to jump there are plenty of places to ride.  Please leave jumps on the track for those that enjoy the hell out of them.

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well my opinion means nothing so don't take it too seriously!

No worries, I didn't :)

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I came up short on a blind double a week ago. Right now I'm thinking I should have stayed in the woods, because I can't ride or go to work. I mostly stopped MX when the jumps got too silly, right around the time four strokes got so popular.

I don't really blame the track, though. I should have just rolled it, since I was not familiar enough with that jump.

The same park also has an old-school type track that seems just as popular as the one with the bigger jumps.

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MX is no longer MX, it is just slightly expanded SX.

As has been previously said, MX was supposed to be a race of about a mile on a track on natural terrain. No artificial jumps, no 50 whoops in a row. The problem is making it 'crowd friendly' They have to make the track tight so spectators can 'see it all from the stands'. So you have the horribly tight corners that kill speed and jumps that shoot riders 30+ feet in the air. Spectators love it. But it is not MX. I realize it is a show because advertising dollars support it,

When I raced MX in the 1970's, we did not have the horrific injuries that happen today. Speeds on the track were higher too. No insane jumps, no corners that everyone dived for the inside 'pivot point'. No whoops sections that wanted to induce 'death wobbles'.

The stars are the same as they always were and only the 'gung ho, out of control guys' have a problem with them. You should know in the first 20' if you are in front or going to be mid pack and ride accordingly..

 

they still do what you like its just called a hound and hare.....

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they still do what you like its just called a hound and hare.....

...except 'Hound and Hare' was also different. Today that would be called an 'Enduro'.

 

MX was around, then SX came on the scene. Then FMX 'Monster shows' came into the picture. Over time, MX evolved into a version of SX and SX became a free for all version of FMX. It is all about the entertainment dollar. Make each event bigger and more spectacular than the last. A sad reality.

I was lucky, I raced mx 'back in the day' of two guys and a van. Then I got into road racing. Still two guys in a van. Then the giant transporters came and the fun (read camaraderie) left. Some aspects (emergency services and general track safety) got better. Way more spectators. But the days of a buddy loaning you a bike (let alone a part) for a race are long gone.

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I agree its the jumps. Every time I do not go to my local track for a little bit you come back they have changed things up to see how many more jumps they can cram into the layout. I enjoy the jumps but when the level keeps going up before you can get comfortable it is difficult. It generally takes me a lot of time to feel comfortable doing a jump, especially a double. and when they change it every time you never get comfortable. Just when you start to have fun really start going add in a few more doubles.

I can understand it for the younger guy because they will hit anything full throttle first day out, for me not so much. Needs to be a happy medium...

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I rode MX in the golden times, early 70's until the 90's.  Bikes were cheap, lot's of tracks to ride.

 

When the risks out weighed the rewards I quit.

 

No big deal, there are enduros, hare scrambles, trail riding, beer, midget porn.

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Two lanes of opposing traffic close to one another with no separation.  Especially on sandy/loose terrain or coming off any large blind jumps or corners.  All it takes is for someone to blow off the track into the lane next to them and it's BAD news quick.  And it happens pretty frequently.

 

There are a number of things next to or near the track that can be huge hazards.  Slick sections, fences, irrigation equipment, ditches, piles of random concrete/tires/whatever.  There are some local Southern CA tracks that haven't really thought that kind of stuff through, or they have and just don't do anything about it...

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Two lanes of opposing traffic close to one another with no separation.  Especially on sandy/loose terrain or coming off any large blind jumps or corners.  All it takes is for someone to blow off the track into the lane next to them and it's BAD news quick.  And it happens pretty frequently.

 

There are a number of things next to or near the track that can be huge hazards.  Slick sections, fences, irrigation equipment, ditches, piles of random concrete/tires/whatever. 

 

My local track is an absolute hazard. Steel u-channel posts leaning 45 degrees waiting to impale someone. Rocks, truck tires .... complete nutsville. 

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For what it is worth, IMO, the following two are at the top of the list, in order:

 

#1 - yourself

#2 - the other guy

 

Over the holiday break I had 13 days off. I managed to ride 10 of those days; 2 were rain-outs and the third was "I need a day off". Eight of those 10 days I witnessed accidents (rider required assistance to leave track), of which three required an ambulance ride. By far the worse streak of injuries I've witness in my short time of just over a year at this.

 

Yesterday I watched two guys who tripled almost side-by-side. The track was super rutted out and the only good line over that triple was pretty much center. Sure enough the guy in the lead sketched out just a tad (not very much!) and the two collided. The guy who sketched out went off the side and over the bars. It took a bit of time for him to recover but he was fortunate to walk off the track unassisted.

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, MX was supposed to be a race of about a mile on a track on natural terrain. No artificial jumps, no 50 whoops in a row. The problem is making it 'crowd friendly' They have to make the track tight so spectators can 'see it all from the stands'. So you have the horribly tight corners that kill speed and jumps that shoot riders 30+ feet in the air. Spectators love it. But it is not MX. I realize it is a show because advertising dollars support it,

When I raced MX in the 1970's, we did not have the horrific injuries that happen today. Speeds on the track were higher too. No insane jumps, no corners that everyone dived for the inside 'pivot point'. No whoops sections that wanted to induce 'death wobbles'.

The stars are the same as they always were and only the 'gung ho, out of control guys' have a problem with them. You should know in the first 20' if you are in front or going to be mid pack and ride accordingly..

 

They run races in this format here. It is very popular, more popular than the weekly MX, or the hare scramble format.

 

People do crash, but its a fast fun track that anyone can ride on, but there can only be one winner.

 

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Not my photos and I do NOT take credit for them. Lifted from here. https://motocookster.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/dmcc-thumper-series-rnd-1-7th-april-2013/

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The best MX tracks had a little woods action, elevation change, whoops, small normal jumps from a rolling terrain and possibly a water crossing.. Bikes would both hit high speeds and slow to a crawl in the tight stuff. The loop emulating a cross (moto-cross) country ride but in a loop typically less than a mile around. The only part that is still there is the high bermed sweepers, the rest is all but gone.

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so you don't ride mx anymore?

No longer race. Still will hit a track from time to time if I will not get in anyone's way. My knees are too trashed to ride hard.

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