My WR450F tight woods "racer" build.

You do know he said the 250 would be under powered for DS'ng don't you, which anyone would agree.  For any long-term road/fire road DS'ng, my 350EXC would be underpowered as well, especially since it has been re-geared to 13/50.  Fun for the mountain resort riding where the speed limits are closer to 45.

 

I know he said the 250F is under powered for DSing, but he already has a WR for that.  Basically either he wants to blow a bunch of money OR he wants more power for the trails.  He is looking at a 350 XCW, not a 350 EXC.  I've seen it about 100x, where people start out on a small woods bike and end up trading up.  Especially 250Fs.   Or they are bolting on big bore kits.

FWIW, YZ number plate cutting.

 

http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/723340-for-those-who-hate-yz-side-panels/

I know he said the 250F is under powered for DSing, but he already has a WR for that.  Basically either he wants to blow a bunch of money OR he wants more power for the trails.  He is looking at a 350 XCW, not a 350 EXC.  I've seen it about 100x, where people start out on a small woods bike and end up trading up.  Especially 250Fs.   Or they are bolting on big bore kits.

FWIW, YZ number plate cutting.

 

http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/723340-for-those-who-hate-yz-side-panels/

Yeah, he is talking about getting the XC-W and putting a plate on it.  I can say I like my 350EXC much better than my WR in the Sierra's just outside of Yosemite and in Kennedy Meadows.  There is no mud or snotty riding or big hill climbs in any of those areas.  For me, the 350 is easier to ride.  It will be interesting to try it out in the CA desert with all of the rocky canyons I like to get into.

 

So you do have some sort of side plate on your bike?  I can't imagine a scenario of not having any side plates.

 

http://youtu.be/zvWsywAg4yA

 

http://youtu.be/0Uaw5NcyaEY

GP1K, what did you do to reduce engine braking? Was it done with the FI diagnostic tool or the GUTR power tuner?

 

GYTR tuner and different maps. See the map thread in this forum, tons of good info. mebgardner and vlxjim have some good maps up to try.

So that is 3 bikes in 3 years ?  WR was too big and powerful.   The 250F is underpowered.   The 350 will be just right.  What happened to all that "adjust to the bike, don't change the bike stuff" ?  Instead you just buy a different bike ?  Too funny !  Not to mention, expensive.

Some really interesting threads

 

http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/625096-08-yz450-for-woods-bikepros-and-cons/

http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/934163-woods-bike-yz450f-11-ktm-450-12-exc-ktm-300/

 

2 bikes, I haven't bought anything else, pay attention. But you have hit the nail on the head of why the 350 exists, and why it appeals to me, and a whole bunch of other people. It's KTMs best selling displacement. It splits the difference between the two. See what they did there?

 

I always change my bikes... I spring & valve them for my weight. I swap bars etc to get the ergos to fit me. What I don't do is try to re-engineer a bike from the ground up to be something it's not. That is a fool's errand.

 

I see it as a good thing my KTM need nothing but springs, armor, and bars etc and it's ready to rock. In your twisted world, that is somehow a bad thing that a bike doesn't NEED a ton of mods to work well.

I know he said the 250F is under powered for DSing, but he already has a WR for that.  Basically either he wants to blow a bunch of money OR he wants more power for the trails.  He is looking at a 350 XCW, not a 350 EXC.  I've seen it about 100x, where people start out on a small woods bike and end up trading up.  Especially 250Fs.   Or they are bolting on big bore kits.

FWIW, YZ number plate cutting.

 

http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/723340-for-those-who-hate-yz-side-panels/

 

I could DS on my 250, but for more open terrain more of the time, a bigger bike is just more fun. The WR is flat out perfect for that. But I could see one bike to do all that, and that would be a plated 350 XCF-W. Or not, and I just stick with the two I have. I'm quite happy with my stable at the moment, but always have an eye to the future.

 

Yeah a lot of guys trade to bigger bikes, or big bores, because they WANT them, not need them. Sometimes people just want more power cuz it's fun, or adds some new zip to an old ride, and there's nothing wrong with that. But that kind of stuff generally doesn't really make you go any faster in the woods, unless you are a pro caliber rider. But everyone wants to think they're pro caliber, so they get the bikes the pros ride. *shrug*  I know I'm not Graham Jarvis or Jonny Walker, and never will be, so what works for them is not what's going to work for me. A 250F works for me. YMMV

What I don't do is try to re-engineer a bike from the ground up to be something it's not. That is a fool's errand.

 

GrayRacer513 doesn't think so.

 

IMO, it is far easier to make the WR engine perform better and get it to shed a few pounds than to smooth out the low speed performance of a YZ450. The low gear issue can be resolved for the most part by installing a Rekuse, but that costs about as much (or more) as a WR trans swap. The only difference is the cases don't need to be split to change the clutch.

Then there is the suspension. You can, of course, work the suspension over to soften it for the kind of trail work we're talking about, but the WR starts out like that already (in fact, a lot of people try to stiffen them up a bit).

In truth, neither one is ideal for the task as is. It just becomes a question of which end you want to start from, and which side of the center you want to end up on.

 

Source: http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/625096-08-yz450-for-woods-bikepros-and-cons/page-2

 

Where does he ride? Where do I ride? One thing that's become clear in some of these threads is that where some of us ride varies wildly. So what works in SoCal doesn't necessarily work in WA mountains, and vice versa. And people's idea of what constitutes 'tight woods' varies wildly as well. I've seen videos of 'single track' I could ride a Gold Wing down. Of course we still have no clue where you ride, because it's some top secret testing grounds that nobody can even talk about, apparently. Or your just poaching illegal trails, kinda hard to say from here.

 

And of course, in your own quote "In truth, neither one is ideal for the task as is. It just becomes a question of which end you want to start from, and which side of the center you want to end up on."  Neither one is ideal for the task. But my lil 250F is. So suck on that. 

 

Oh and in case you didn't notice, that thread was about an 08 YZF. Not a newer FI model. You can tune the YZFs to mellow them out down low with GYTR tuner you're allergic to. Just more of you regurgitating what others say, with no real knowledge of your own.

GrayRacer513 doesn't think so.]

Pffff, Rich is a clown :smirk: :runforestrun:

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