Who cares if they dont wear gear its thier skin. Why is everyone trying to be like the government and protect us from ourselves. Before you flame im a paramedic in volusia county florida I know what no gear gets you yet I still ride without it every now and then so just lay off and dont read a thread thats titled hooligans. If you dont like to see a guy do an illegal wheelie without gear STFU and move on!!!!!
***NEW*** W.A.R. SUPERMOTO HOOLIGANS VIDEOS!
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supermotohooligan391
, Aug 04 2012 04:16 PM
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:58 PM
Wonder why you can always find a DRZ-SM on Craigslist? It's not only because they're so popular...
Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:31 AM
RampartStalker, on 14 August 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:
Wonder why you can always find a DRZ-SM on Craigslist? It's not only because they're so popular...
Actually there is a thread about why used DRZ-SM prices are so high. Its because people like them.
Edited by crazy_dave, 15 August 2012 - 06:32 AM.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:57 AM
RampartStalker, on 08 August 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:
I have not really flamed anyone, I have almost only brought up legitimate discussion points. I did imply and say a thing or two that maybe I shouldn't have, but only in the same provocative fashion with which other's had posted, and even less provocative really because at least you can tell I have enough intelligence to post a reasonable post on an internet forum (unlike OP's "I can't type or ride responsibly and I'm proud of it" attitude, a cop will whip him into shape in the near future guaranteed). You've responded to my posts here as if I'm like "OMG you guys, DRZs are so gay and slow, who the hell would buy one?" If you re-read through the whole thread, you'll see what provoked my postings in this thread and also that my responses are in fact legitimate with the exception of my implication that the OP is lazy and frugal for not wanting to do maintenance. I didn't flame his videos as you said earlier, I only posted my opinion of what I saw...his "riding with buddies" are wheelies down straight roads...period. That's obvious from his videos, I was re-iterating the facts. Yes, that is implying that he's not exactly living up to the full potential of our sport and that he doesn't exactly deserve to call himself a hooligan when others with the same self-ascribed nickname do much, much more than he does in their rides and subsequent videos. Wheelies down a straight road...enough said.
I never said my bike is wonderful or that the DRZ's suck. Most of my posts in this thread have addressed specific points of contention (via bike comparisons)...so your generalization of my posts serving only to flame the OP is BS. You, like them, just don't like what I have to say and have nothing directly in-line with the argument with which to retort with...all you guys have is "he's ignorant", "flaming", "dumbest string of words posted online", "well I'm still faster than you", and "have fun changing your oil while I'm out riding", etc. Those one-liners are really just proving that you three, the OP, Mattydiah, and you, have nothing to contribute to the actual discussion other than your comment about, "It's the rider, not the bike". That's a genuine observation but applies to all riding situations...yet we're in a discussion of specific bikes and not about riding technique, so you're side-stepping the discussion to make it seem like everything I'm saying are moot points when they are in fact relevant to the discussion of whether or not the DRZ is a true supermoto bike or not.
The DRZ is a dual sport. The SM version is a dual sport with supermoto rims. It's as simple as that, it's a dual sport with supermoto rims. Sure, a "real" supermoto bike is a dirt bike with supermoto rims, but that actually IS the basis for and origin of supermoto (starting with a dirt bike, not a dual sport). I could take a Yamaha Super Tenere and put knobbies on it...but it's still gonna be a giant adventure touring bike with knobbies, not a dual sport and definitely not a dirt bike. You can mod something a ton, but it's still going to mostly be what you bought in the first place. Even a DRZ with massive engine upgrades still has sub-par suspension and a sub-par frame, but replace the suspension with modern MX/SM suspension and finally you'd have a truly different bike, almost a dirt bike albeit still heavy. At that point though, you probably could have bought a used WR450, a supermoto wheelset for it, and a stock DRZ or DRZ-SM. Modern MX/SM forks are a couple grand alone. And yes, they'd be better than what's on my '05 WR450, but you'd still have that sub-par frame (not rigid to modern standards, heavy) holding everything together.
Back to my original point, the WR has a great track record for reliability, durability, and longevity. To compare, when it comes to longevity, I'd say the difference between a DRZ and a KLR is comparable to the difference between a WR and DRZ, with the obvious hierarchy of longevity going WR, DRZ, and KLR (longest lived being the KLR, of course). They're all very, very different bikes, but they're all very, very reliable and one can expect a long life out of them if they're treated right. And the average person who can handle an oil change every other week will have A TON more fun on a modern 450 sumo bike, though riding it "like a vagina" is not necessary. That's one of the phrases the OP used to flame one my posts. Who's doing the flaming in this thread? Like I said earlier, "killing the messenger"...obviously none of you are the next Machiavelli, you three have shown that, at least in this case, your minds are absent of the emotional intelligence necessary to respond well (read: appropriately) to a situation that does not have your favoritism written all over it. Welcome to life, sometimes things go against the grain when you don't want them to...and all the flaming, misrepresentation, and misdirection in the world isn't going to change the facts. Maybe try disputing the facts. Waiting for anyone to argue over the links I posted. I really like this quote from one of them:
http://www.supermoto...rz440sm-v-wr450
Coming from a DRZ owner and fan:
"keep in mind i am a drz fanboi when you read the following
DRZ= hot pile of turdbike
DRZ+alltheshityoumentioned [large HP modifications] = heavy underpowered wasted 3k turd bike. if you want more power, get a bigger bike. mine is stock, ive ridden ones with 470cc kits and yeah they rip, but its nothing like a factory dirtbike man, my buddy has a 250crf that pulls harder stock then my drzturd."
EDIT: Sorry my posts are so long. I don't have an issue typing my thoughts out in a rapid yet coherent manner...others aren't as fortunate.
I never said my bike is wonderful or that the DRZ's suck. Most of my posts in this thread have addressed specific points of contention (via bike comparisons)...so your generalization of my posts serving only to flame the OP is BS. You, like them, just don't like what I have to say and have nothing directly in-line with the argument with which to retort with...all you guys have is "he's ignorant", "flaming", "dumbest string of words posted online", "well I'm still faster than you", and "have fun changing your oil while I'm out riding", etc. Those one-liners are really just proving that you three, the OP, Mattydiah, and you, have nothing to contribute to the actual discussion other than your comment about, "It's the rider, not the bike". That's a genuine observation but applies to all riding situations...yet we're in a discussion of specific bikes and not about riding technique, so you're side-stepping the discussion to make it seem like everything I'm saying are moot points when they are in fact relevant to the discussion of whether or not the DRZ is a true supermoto bike or not.
The DRZ is a dual sport. The SM version is a dual sport with supermoto rims. It's as simple as that, it's a dual sport with supermoto rims. Sure, a "real" supermoto bike is a dirt bike with supermoto rims, but that actually IS the basis for and origin of supermoto (starting with a dirt bike, not a dual sport). I could take a Yamaha Super Tenere and put knobbies on it...but it's still gonna be a giant adventure touring bike with knobbies, not a dual sport and definitely not a dirt bike. You can mod something a ton, but it's still going to mostly be what you bought in the first place. Even a DRZ with massive engine upgrades still has sub-par suspension and a sub-par frame, but replace the suspension with modern MX/SM suspension and finally you'd have a truly different bike, almost a dirt bike albeit still heavy. At that point though, you probably could have bought a used WR450, a supermoto wheelset for it, and a stock DRZ or DRZ-SM. Modern MX/SM forks are a couple grand alone. And yes, they'd be better than what's on my '05 WR450, but you'd still have that sub-par frame (not rigid to modern standards, heavy) holding everything together.
Back to my original point, the WR has a great track record for reliability, durability, and longevity. To compare, when it comes to longevity, I'd say the difference between a DRZ and a KLR is comparable to the difference between a WR and DRZ, with the obvious hierarchy of longevity going WR, DRZ, and KLR (longest lived being the KLR, of course). They're all very, very different bikes, but they're all very, very reliable and one can expect a long life out of them if they're treated right. And the average person who can handle an oil change every other week will have A TON more fun on a modern 450 sumo bike, though riding it "like a vagina" is not necessary. That's one of the phrases the OP used to flame one my posts. Who's doing the flaming in this thread? Like I said earlier, "killing the messenger"...obviously none of you are the next Machiavelli, you three have shown that, at least in this case, your minds are absent of the emotional intelligence necessary to respond well (read: appropriately) to a situation that does not have your favoritism written all over it. Welcome to life, sometimes things go against the grain when you don't want them to...and all the flaming, misrepresentation, and misdirection in the world isn't going to change the facts. Maybe try disputing the facts. Waiting for anyone to argue over the links I posted. I really like this quote from one of them:
http://www.supermoto...rz440sm-v-wr450
Coming from a DRZ owner and fan:
"keep in mind i am a drz fanboi when you read the following
DRZ= hot pile of turdbike
DRZ+alltheshityoumentioned [large HP modifications] = heavy underpowered wasted 3k turd bike. if you want more power, get a bigger bike. mine is stock, ive ridden ones with 470cc kits and yeah they rip, but its nothing like a factory dirtbike man, my buddy has a 250crf that pulls harder stock then my drzturd."
EDIT: Sorry my posts are so long. I don't have an issue typing my thoughts out in a rapid yet coherent manner...others aren't as fortunate.
this sure is a lot of words about how you like the WR. Thats great, people like their DRZ's too. A DRZ rider said that other bikes are more maintenance intensive than the DRZ, and your reaction was multiple posts like the one above.
Think about that for a second. Think about how many words you typed defending the maintenance intervals of your precious bike against the terrible slander of complete strangers on the internet.
Take a moment to consider how hilarious that is. Because it is.
Edited by Mattydiah, 15 August 2012 - 07:58 AM.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:23 PM
RampartStalker, on 15 August 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:
Your posts have been quite malicious, buddy. We all know a DRZ-SM is not the end-all-be-all of supermoto but it does have all the characteristics of a supermoto, albeit not a KTM or WR. If you want to attack him, criticize his irresponsible riding or lack of gear. But, lay off off the aggressive attacks.
From,
a WR450 supermoto rider
Posted 16 August 2012 - 04:29 PM
I'm the one with the "aggressive attacks"? I'm the one being called a douche and people are telling me to get my nuts back and crap. Have you read this thread at all? I'm the only one, other than mattydiah, who can put together a coherent paragraph. And while he may be able to do that, his points are misdirected at me as if I have been talking massive crap about the DRZ and saying it's not a real supermoto bike at all. Read the thread before you jump in and starting talking smack like all the other idiots who posted here. C'mon man, you're a WR450 rider...the world expects more out of you! 
Like I posted earlier, some people can't talk sense so they talk smack. Other people try to talk sense and it seems logical because it is...but it's only dressed to address my position and no one has yet to really challenge anything I've said directly. Mattydiah has been the only one to ATTEMPT to address my position yet he fails to do so directly at all. As I told him, I never said the DRZ wasn't a supermoto bike. I've specifically centered my "argument" around aspects no one's touched because they know they can't...if you're willing to do a few more oil changes than on a DRZ-SM, convert a WR450 to SM and you'll have a ton more fun. It's that simple. I have been touting that line because the OP spewed a bunch of BS and I first responded and have since been responding to those false sentiments.
I'm sure Mattydiah will want to post how funny it is that I type so much "in defense of my precious WR". This post took me about 2 minutes and, like most of my others, a lot of it has been simply explaining the BS that's been going on in this very thread. Sorry some of you probably view my posts as essays, maybe read a little more and you can put a few more notches in your belt of reading comprehesion when you try to understand my words and maybe even formulate a reasonable opposing argument. But don't worry, I'm officially done posting in this particular crevice of the gutter.
Like I posted earlier, some people can't talk sense so they talk smack. Other people try to talk sense and it seems logical because it is...but it's only dressed to address my position and no one has yet to really challenge anything I've said directly. Mattydiah has been the only one to ATTEMPT to address my position yet he fails to do so directly at all. As I told him, I never said the DRZ wasn't a supermoto bike. I've specifically centered my "argument" around aspects no one's touched because they know they can't...if you're willing to do a few more oil changes than on a DRZ-SM, convert a WR450 to SM and you'll have a ton more fun. It's that simple. I have been touting that line because the OP spewed a bunch of BS and I first responded and have since been responding to those false sentiments.
I'm sure Mattydiah will want to post how funny it is that I type so much "in defense of my precious WR". This post took me about 2 minutes and, like most of my others, a lot of it has been simply explaining the BS that's been going on in this very thread. Sorry some of you probably view my posts as essays, maybe read a little more and you can put a few more notches in your belt of reading comprehesion when you try to understand my words and maybe even formulate a reasonable opposing argument. But don't worry, I'm officially done posting in this particular crevice of the gutter.
Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:50 AM
We all have changed the way we think about supermoto, riding etiquette, safety, maintenance and most importantly, WRITING!!! And its all thanks to you!
We are all in your debt!
Farewell, oh wise and generous one. I wish you many days of belittling other people on the internet, talking up your wr, and sitting in your tower!
Or in other words: Good. No one agrees with you. bye.
We are all in your debt!
Farewell, oh wise and generous one. I wish you many days of belittling other people on the internet, talking up your wr, and sitting in your tower!
Or in other words: Good. No one agrees with you. bye.
Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:13 AM
Verbal vomit.
And im betting your a joy to get stuck behind in the Post Office queue.
With age i learnt 'Less is sometimes more'.
Infact often its better to say nothing at all.............
And im betting your a joy to get stuck behind in the Post Office queue.
With age i learnt 'Less is sometimes more'.
Infact often its better to say nothing at all.............
Edited by sevenfourate, 17 August 2012 - 11:13 AM.
Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:49 PM
RampartStalker, on 05 August 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:
So...what you're saying is that you're lazy and don't have enough money to maintain a real supermoto bike with real supermoto performance.
XR's have been the standard of reliability for years, not DRZs. If you really wanted a supermoto bike with good performance and low maintenance, you could have gone with an XR650R that you could have modded a ton and made hella fast for a giant thumper (a lot faster than a modded DRZ). Even a WR250x edges out a DRZ-SM, especially with all the aftermarket stuff coming out for the WRx.
http://www.supermoto...M-my-comparison
What you've yet to realize is that your DRZs are fine for "shaninagans" but are definitely not true supermoto bikes. The DRZ-SM and WR250x are basically made for people like you...someone who wants to have fun dicking around on streets and hardly do any maintenance. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, I want a WR250x for city commuting. But you'd have to mod the hell out of it to make it "modern" and then you end up spending more than you would have on a Husqvarna or KTM SM or a modern jap 450 to convert.
People have been putting high mileage on their modern, real su'mo bikes these last couple of years with no problems. More than one guy has 25k miles on their WR450 with only having done a top end rebuild...that's nearly as good as a DRZ's long-term maintenance schedule. You just have to do regular maintenance (oil change every 10 hours isn't hard, neither is a valve inspection once a season)...but NO, NOT MAINTENANCE! The only reason you see a ton of DRZ going high mileage is because there are a ton of DRZ out there. In fact, more than one DRZ engine has blown up at 25k miles.
You might receive a more warm welcome at supermotojunkie.com.
But probably not with that attitude...because what response you're getting here will only be ten-fold there. DRZ-SM owners know their place there. There's a reason most local supermoto clubs have DRZs racing mostly only against other DRZs.
XR's have been the standard of reliability for years, not DRZs. If you really wanted a supermoto bike with good performance and low maintenance, you could have gone with an XR650R that you could have modded a ton and made hella fast for a giant thumper (a lot faster than a modded DRZ). Even a WR250x edges out a DRZ-SM, especially with all the aftermarket stuff coming out for the WRx.
http://www.supermoto...M-my-comparison
What you've yet to realize is that your DRZs are fine for "shaninagans" but are definitely not true supermoto bikes. The DRZ-SM and WR250x are basically made for people like you...someone who wants to have fun dicking around on streets and hardly do any maintenance. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, I want a WR250x for city commuting. But you'd have to mod the hell out of it to make it "modern" and then you end up spending more than you would have on a Husqvarna or KTM SM or a modern jap 450 to convert.
People have been putting high mileage on their modern, real su'mo bikes these last couple of years with no problems. More than one guy has 25k miles on their WR450 with only having done a top end rebuild...that's nearly as good as a DRZ's long-term maintenance schedule. You just have to do regular maintenance (oil change every 10 hours isn't hard, neither is a valve inspection once a season)...but NO, NOT MAINTENANCE! The only reason you see a ton of DRZ going high mileage is because there are a ton of DRZ out there. In fact, more than one DRZ engine has blown up at 25k miles.
You might receive a more warm welcome at supermotojunkie.com.
But probably not with that attitude...because what response you're getting here will only be ten-fold there. DRZ-SM owners know their place there. There's a reason most local supermoto clubs have DRZs racing mostly only against other DRZs.
yeah, the part that I bolded is not an attack at all....
smhooligan391, as you can conclude from this evidence, you and your bike suck, and you should probably fall off the face of the planet. I hope your shitty DRZ crashes into a ditch and catches Lou Gehrig's Disease.
J/K keep posting the vids!! (and put some gear on too)
Posted 19 August 2012 - 05:22 PM
Dr.Z391, on 18 August 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:
SUPER-PEDS!
http://totalfratmove.com/979277
Posted 20 August 2012 - 05:24 AM
That is not a real man's scooter. I am a good writer. I have an aprilia scooter.
Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:14 PM
An Aprilia might last two days in his hands!lol This one only lasted a few hours:D
Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:40 PM
looks like they're mostly kids/young guys. I'm 36 and like to do stupid sh-t every now and then, its fun. As far as the protection, good to have if you crash, not as cool looking for vids.Most of them will be fine, some will not.
The DRZ is pretty boring but its a good startertard. Looks like they're in the US so its not like there are any good roads.
The DRZ is pretty boring but its a good startertard. Looks like they're in the US so its not like there are any good roads.
