Ricky Carmichael and a claiming rule

Started by YRUU , Aug 02 2012 04:54 AM


172 replies to this topic

  • RuggedRadios1

Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:31 AM

#41

T-Doshi9, on 02 August 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

i agree with both of you!  but i would also just like to through out there even if the bike was used its still worth some money and i could see getting 13 for a well modded bike that you could clearly see the upgrades on.  now saying i have 5k into the motor is a bit harder.. but sups u can see and feel.  all the little things you can see and add up.  the frame may be stretched a bit but i don't think that would be much if any with just 3 races on it.  i think you under estimating the value of the bikes that are well put together!  and again we are talking above the average joe's bike with mods here.   you take a bike that has about 17-18k in mods + bike and i know you can get 13-14 for it!  rc's is the rear exception tot he rule that i would bet it would bring more like 18-20k still less than is in it but more than you would have bought it for.  and time would make that grow pending future actions i guess of his!   if he only does this once that bike is worth something more!  if he does it for the next 10 years not so much!
Ya i wouldn't disagree with you. I skipped over the fact that it had works sff's on there until i gave it a second look. You would be getting it for a steal no matter what like you said. I still think the rule is pretty cool.

Edited by RuggedRadios1, 02 August 2012 - 09:39 AM.

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  • CRF rider

Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:36 AM

#42

The rule isn't designed so Joe's can go buy tricked out bikes. The rule is there so it discourages people from using super tricked out bikes because they could end up loosing a lot of money on it.

Obviously though for big teams like PC, or Carmichael it's a drop in the bucket, so they could probably care less if someone bought the bike.

  • KJ790

Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:41 AM

#43

ColoradoKXer, on 02 August 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

So If you don't have a backup bike you're pretty much screwed?

Even if you did have a back up bike, once you complete the first moto you have to race the second moto with the same frame. For Loretta's you have to race with the same frame you qualified for the race with. If someone claims your bike you are done for the day no matter what.

  • Slackkinhard

Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:47 AM

#44

KJ790, on 02 August 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

Even if you did have a back up bike, once you complete the first moto you have to race the second moto with the same frame. For Loretta's you have to race with the same frame you qualified for the race with. If someone claims your bike you are done for the day no matter what.

That seems like it got issues. If I know I can't beat ya, my dad could just buy your bike and make sure you can't race. :)

I wouldn't put it past some of the Pit Dad's out there

  • Slackkinhard

Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:49 AM

#45

I thought the rule was really to keep folks from manufacturing one-off works bikes. The time and effort put into building one, and then having it claimed would be a tough pill to swallow. I didn't think it was really about the money...

Edited by Slackkinhard, 02 August 2012 - 09:50 AM.

  • ThumpNRed

Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:50 AM

#46

So... disable the rev limiter and have an accident on the way back to the pits at the end of the last race. Thanks for the check smart@$$; here's your $11,000 bike...complete with four bent valves and the con-rod hanging out the bottom of the big hole hole in the case. Just sayin...

  • mictheaussie

Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:55 AM

#47

Surely you are allowed to finish the day on the bike.
I know in other forms of racing, it is the cost of the vehicle, plus whatever %, AND you have to give them your vehicle. Not sure the rule applies here tho. It would be hard for the new owner to ride that day on a new bike set up for the GOAT anyway.

Edited by mictheaussie, 02 August 2012 - 09:55 AM.

  • tackman

Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:34 AM

#48

The rule requires that you be in the same class as the rider that you are staking the claim on...my guess is that most LL A Class riders aren't showing up on a clapped out 2008 CRF hoping to score a deal on RC's new tricked out beast.  They are all going to have comparible bikes...it would be obvious if 1 competitor had 25% more horsepower and 20 lbs less weight, and someone could use that rule to eliminate that competitor from winning the entire event on an excessively modded bike.

  • Mike662b

Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:40 AM

#49

ThumpNRed, on 02 August 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

So... disable the rev limiter and have an accident on the way back to the pits at the end of the last race. Thanks for the check smart@$$; here's your $11,000 bike...complete with four bent valves and the con-rod hanging out the bottom of the big hole hole in the case. Just sayin...

Ya, but you could part out suspension, wheels, frame and all the other goodies on that bike and still get your money. Id think though someone would only use the rule on an obivous cheater bike, or if they had a major problem with the racer and used it to get back at him. Or if some guy wanted a bike like RC's as a collector piece. Thats probably why we dont often hear of this happeneing.

  • Zondebok

Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:59 AM

#50

"If you can't win, take out someone who can..."

  • twinshocker

Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:20 AM

#51

I it is beyond me why RC needs  17K of mods there.

It is called the AMATEUR Nationals so why cant he just take a stock bike, have the suspension set up and the engine fine tuned and ride the damn thing ?

  • Zondebok

Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:23 AM

#52

twinshocker, on 02 August 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

I it is beyond me why RC needs  17K of mods there.

It is called the AMATEUR Nationals so why cant he just take a stock bike, have the suspension set up and the engine fine tuned and ride the damn thing ?

over half of that modification is the suspension.

I suspect it is mostly just trying to get the bike close to what he is used to riding at this point.

  • RuggedRadios1

Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:24 AM

#53

twinshocker, on 02 August 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

I it is beyond me why RC needs  17K of mods there.

It is called the AMATEUR Nationals so why cant he just take a stock bike, have the suspension set up and the engine fine tuned and ride the damn thing ?
But RC isn't the only one out there running a bike with 17k in mods. I'd wonder if it's more a comfort thing rather speed. Its the GOAT and he knows he is going to be going REALLY fast, and at that speed it would be scary to not feel comfortable on the bike.

Edited by RuggedRadios1, 02 August 2012 - 11:27 AM.

  • locomxer

Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:33 AM

#54

I agree with what was said already, everyone all the time on stock production bikes, except for basic set up. Screw all the after market money grabbers let them go sell plastics and graphics, tires,bars and so on. The factories will build bad ass bikes for all to have, no more have and have-nots !  And don't start with "but then the bikes will be to expensive" they already are !  and to make them better, you're spending more money anyway with after market company's. Let the factories do it I'm willing to bet they will do it cheaper in the long run. And then it's truly all about who's the best riders, and not who's on the elite teams or has the deepest pockets. :)

  • BDubb106

Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:16 PM

#55

twinshocker, on 02 August 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

I it is beyond me why RC needs  17K of mods there.

It is called the AMATEUR Nationals so why cant he just take a stock bike, have the suspension set up and the engine fine tuned and ride the damn thing ?

Becaue everyone else there in his class will be on similar equipment

  • twinshocker

Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:34 PM

#56

BDubb106, on 02 August 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Becaue everyone else there in his class will be on similar equipment

Thats true, but in my statement above RC was only an example, i think at these races all riders should´nt use to expensive material.
That´s why i think the claiming ruke makes sense.

  • MANIAC998

Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:51 PM

#57

My belief is that the claiming rule is much needed. Instead of only thinking about how you can "steal" one of your competitors bikes right out from under them, think about it from the perspective of them trying to "steal" yours. If you know that any of your competitors can purchase your bike at the end of the race day, why would you put $6000 dollar suspension, $5000 engine mods, etc., etc. onto your bike? C'mon now! We all know it's the rider, not the bike anyhow!!!
Maniac

  • originalmonk

Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:04 PM

#58

BDubb106, on 02 August 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:



and price would jump up dramatically. They are already expensive enough

See and I would welcome $20,000 dollar off the showroom floor bikes if and only of, I could get them from the factory the way I want. Imagine buying a bike like you do trucks, you get the basic model and then upgrade from there!

  • KTMRider4Life

Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:17 PM

#59

originalmonk, on 02 August 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:



See and I would welcome $20,000 dollar off the showroom floor bikes if and only of, I could get them from the factory the way I want. Imagine buying a bike like you do trucks, you get the basic model and then upgrade from there!
isn't that what happens now?

  • RuggedRadios1

Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:21 PM

#60

KTMRider4Life, on 02 August 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

isn't that what happens now?
With you KTM guys yes. lol
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