Guys I am a cummins fan don't get me wrong but the new Ford's are getting impressive milage.

I have debated the whole gas vs diesel thing to death in my head (im slow at making large financial decisions)

I need a family vehicle so large cab is needed or i'd keep my 02 forever.

I can't stand it when kids in car seats can kick the back of the seat.

Stock dodges are now getting about 22 litres to 100 km (driving say 110-115kmph)(65-70 mps i think (that sucks still hearing some guys complaining after deletes)

I heard the new Ford is WAY better on diesel. My truck will mostly be a long haul family vehicle ( i travel a lot) so comfort and reliability are my main issues. I tow a trailer 7-9 thousand pounds only twice per year. I don't due a lot of gravel road driving but need ground clearence for a short 8km trip into my fav fishing whole and cabin so dirty max is out!  When not working under fairly light load my truck is parked in  a heated garge for up to two weeks at time

I love the cummins 6 speed manual tranny does Ford have one?

Not looking to start a debate here. Honestly just wanna hear from guys who have them. This is not a Gas for diesel quesiton either... nothing makes me sicker on road trip then passing everyone only to have to stop and get gas to start all over again! BC is worse for that then AB cause of the narrow roads!

I also have a large 330 lbs handicapped dad and I love to take him fishing/hunting with me so cab room and comfort are a must. I have never even been in the cab of a large ford!

LAST but not least through a friend I have been told I can get any chrysler product for 25$ above dealer invoice???? How would I know? Anyone have any input on that?  How do I find out what the true cost is going to be without having a sales man tell me something else?

 somethingnuw, on 01 July 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Oh man tell me about it. I just went on a 3 hour drive with the kids in my Dodge, I got kicked the whole way by my infant daughter.
I used to have a '04 Powerstroke, I liked the cab better and it seemed to have more power. But you can't beat the dependability of the Cummins. I couldn't tell you anything about the newer Fords, other than they look nice.

Oh yeah I did hear one thing from a friend - I was told you can't get a 6sp in anything anymore. Not sure if that's accurate though. I have a 6sp in my Dodge and actually miss my auto.

dodge had 6spd up to 2012. not sure what theyre doing for '13, i doubt anything will change but i havent looked into the '13 model so i dont know.  chevy i dont believe has had manual tranny with the duramax for over 10yrs. ford might of followed suit and ditched the manual trans

The only trans in the new 6.7 Ford is the 6-spd auto. Doesn't seem to be giving much for (serious) issues or problems for owners so far.  The engine seems to be hit or miss sometimes, one guy has a trouble prone one with continuous little issues, and others have had no issues.  The interior and features speak for themselves, Ford has that area covered no doubt.  With that said, I'm no expert on the 6.7, and what little I do know has been from reading the odd thread on Powerstroke sites.  Also, the bit that a person does read only represents a small amount of the actual drivers and owners of the trucks.

However, being a newly introduced engine and trans, the otherwise proven Ford platform would be a tough decision when compared to how nice the new Dodges are compared to previous years and the proven 6.7 Cummins . . .

I realize this was absolutely NO help, lol.

Edited by sniper_101, 01 July 2012 - 03:06 PM.

FYI: A couple of weeks ago I was talking to a guy that works for one of the big "oil" (they're drilling for natural gas in this area) companies.... He told me that they (the company he works for) bought fifteen 3/4 ton and 1 ton Ford diesel trucks in 2010. They are now getting shed of them as fast as they can and buying Chevrolet diesel trucks. He said that the Fords aren't holding up. I have no idea what the problems are or why they didn't buy Dodge as I didn't ask.

The 2010 Ford Superduty came with the 6.4 twin turbo, the 2011 on up has the new 6.7 Powerstroke. I would recommend staying away from a 2008-2010 6.4 Powerstroke...

 jonrack, on 01 July 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Thanks for the input... much appreciated.  Your dodge you have now which cab is it.  Their new quad cabs seem large enough or would you go with a mega cab????

Thanks guys keep the input coming.  I just found out wife is prego with number 2 so no more sticking child seat in centre and letting him dangle his feet on the centre console.

I appreciate the advise on older fords and I'd only buy the new 6.7 ford.

Stick with the Cummins!!! Get a mega cab and will be perfect for your kids.  Those things have tons of room.  I deal with medium and heavy duty trucks everyday.  You can beat the cummins.  There is a guy that currently has 1.4 million documented miles on a 5.9 Cummins.

I am a ford man all the way, me personally would like to get ahold of an diesel excursion someday.

anyways, go check out a dodge megacab cummins 6.7 6 spd auto see if you like it my roomate has one but barely drives it(fuel costs)

My dad has an '11 powerstroke. The thing is unbelievably powerful, but smooth. He averages 19mpg just driving around, and 16 hauling a large trailer to florida. The interior is huge if you get a crew cab. The interior is very nice, especially compared to the previous generation. 400/800 is amazing, I can never tell I'm pulling a trailer with it. Ford also has some sort of anti sway technology, and let me tell you it works. What used to wear you out pulling something now you can't even tell.

Go for the ford.

If we were talking about the previous generation Dodges, I'd say go for the Ford or Chevy, just because of how terrible the build quality was in those earlier trucks, but Dodge has really stepped their grame up

All the trucks are so close to being completely even now, that I'd just test drive (or even rent for a few days) the trucks and see which one fits you best.

 Kgmx856, on 03 July 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

Unless he has a light foot and a tuner, I still have my doubts about 19mpg and 16mpg. But this is the Internet, and everyone seems to grossly exaggerate their mpgs!

I have a 2011 Ford F-250 with a 6.7 Powerstoke 4x4 with 3.55 gearing. Just made a 650 mile round trip pulling about 8,000 pounds and averaged 12.5 mpg, Southern California and Nevada (hills and lots of them)...

 originalmonk, on 03 July 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

Swear on my life.

 Kgmx856, on 03 July 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

What was your math score on the SAT?

 Kgmx856, on 03 July 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

I drive an average of 6000 miles a month, I literally wear trucks out. I have own both Fords and GMs. I'm not an expert but I have a 7 trucks in my company and I have never ever hit 19mpg on any diesel I have owned except my 92 dodge. The only trucks that get close and over that number are my half tons. My new GM, 4dr long box at its best has got 17.9mpg empty at 110kph and GMs are famous for getting the best gas mileage out of any of the big 3.

 originalmonk, on 03 July 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

It's all about speed, aerodynamics, driving habits and gearing, and minor things like tires, inflation, etc.

I have people that call me a liar right to my face when I say I have a semi, loaded at 80k lbs, and can average 8 mpg for the month back and forth from the midwest to socal (12k miles).  Super singles, low rolling resistance tires (this means no gumbo mud block tread), easy on the pedal, driving 62 mph, etc.  I drive like a retired elderly near sighted school bus driver with no destination in mind.

Give two guys the same exact truck, and compare fuel consumption after a year.  In some cases, it will be 25% difference between the two just due to driving habits.

Edited by Chickenhauler, 03 July 2012 - 12:39 PM.

 Chickenhauler, on 03 July 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

I agree and I'm not saying its impossible. But 19mpg just casually driving around usually isn't the norm.