Posted October 29, 2003 - 01:37 PM
I'm in the process of trying to make a decision here. I've decided to get a dual sport to play on all the firebreak roads and trails out here in Southern California. I'm 6'0 tall and about 215 Lbs. I've pretty much narrowed it down to two bikes. An XR650L or a DRZ400S. They seem to be about the same price but are obviously very different machines. I'm not gonna be riding any single track technical stuff. Like I said, just trails and the like. Questions.....Does the air-cooled motor on the XR have any problems? I would think that pup would get pretty hot on a 100 degree So Cal. day. I like the simplicity of the motor but how does it hold up? Which of the two 04' bikes I've mentioned is better suspended for my purpose? Finally, what kind of deal can you get on the XR. It would seem they've depreciated all their tooling costs at this point and should have a pretty good profit margin so I'd think you ought to be able to get a pretty good deal on one. Is that right? I presently ride a Bandit 1200S and have had Honda's in the past. Always loved their build quality. My buddy had an 89' XL600R and I used to love riding that thing but never got it out in the dirt. I have to say the DRS looks tempting too. I like the weight, but it looks like a lot of fragile bits that may not be necessary for my needs. Any ideas?? Thaks in advance and nice site!!!
Posted October 29, 2003 - 02:23 PM
I've decided to get a dual sport to play on all the firebreak roads and trails out here in Southern California. I'm 6'0 tall and about 215 Lbs
You're going to get a lot of opinions here and as you know, those will vary. For fireroad cruising either of these bikes would be fine. But if you're not planning to do much street riding, and if you want more off-road capability (just in case you want to go more in that direction), then I'd favor the DRZs over the XR650l. I'm sure the DRZs has e-start, not sure about the XR650l. But I'd say the DRZs can be more easily be modified into a very solid dirt bike and it has a very solid and updated suspension. But given how you intend to ride, above those two I'd favor a nice good used XR400, XR600 or XR650r with a DS kit. Used XRs are all over the place and many are in good condition with the DS kit and plate already in place. Any would be a great bike for the riding you describe and you'll save $2,000-$2,500 buying used with minimal give in quality.
Check Recycler for used bikes in the SoCal area.
Posted October 29, 2003 - 03:52 PM
DRZ 400s was derived from a dirt bike, very capable in the woods, but with E start a great addition, I wouldn't be without it anymore. Nice on a cold start and really nice if you stall it in a mud hole or in a creek or river crossing. I considered both before I bought mine, rode them both and just decided to stay with Honda, as I have owned several types of them. I found the weight of the L to be tough to handle at first, but as I gained confidence in off road riding it seemed to loose some of that bulk, of course better tires and a smaller front sprocket helped for the slow stuff. Just my $.02 (Probably not much help)
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Posted October 29, 2003 - 07:26 PM
Here's some info I saved from the May 2000 issue of dirt Rider that compared the true weights of various bikes fully gassed and ready to ride.
Honda XR650R = 302 lbs
Suzuki DRZ400E = 295 lbs
KTM520 E/XC = 272 lbs
Husaberg FE600E = 285 lbs
Honda XR400R = 278 lbs
Yamaha WR400F = 276 lbs
Kawasaki KLX300 = 271 lbs
Here's a XR650R D/S kit on Ebay
Posted October 29, 2003 - 08:56 PM
But for fireroads and trails, it's hard bike to beat. Of course my other choice if I couldn't have my 650R, would be a DRZ-400E. I've had one chance to ride a DRZ, and to me it felt alot like the RM's, which is a good thing.
Posted October 29, 2003 - 11:21 PM
I'd love to go that way cuz' Im a horsie junkie....but man that seems like a lot of bike for a squid. What's the last year I can license...legally .........for street,forest roads and trails......a 650R ? (In the state of Kalifornia) and of course....am I up to the task of riding the beast????
Thanks for all your time and insights.....
Posted October 29, 2003 - 11:39 PM
I'm still undecided. That 600R sure looks like a sweet machine. Why the hell doesn't Honda throw some streetable light and an E start on that thing, raise the gearing, put a dash on it and call it the L model. Hell...that's the bike I really want. But as my wife so accurately points out "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride." Very appropriate here. Keep the good suggestions coming and thanks alot!!!
Basically, that's just what Honda did with the XR650L. It is built on the XR600 frame and suspension with the NX650 e-start engine and lighting equipment and big quiet (heavy) exhaust to make it street legal.
Posted October 29, 2003 - 11:51 PM
Posted October 30, 2003 - 08:01 AM
With all the hoopla going on in Kalifornia, you've probably got to get any bike worth considering plated before the first of the year or else be stuck with a red/green sticker license, unless the bike you're considering complies to the new requirements. The current 2003/2004 DRZ400E is NOT even a green sticker bike and you won't be able to get it plated unless the DMV makes a mistake and then you run the risk of them correcting it in the future. You'd have to either buy a 2002 or older DRZ-400E (since all 2002 & older bikes are now grandfathered for green stickers with the recent legislation changes), then dual sport it and get it plated before the 1st of the year when the new laws come into effect, unless you're thinking of buying the DRZ400S which is even heavier yet.
If you're considering dual sporting a new DRZ400E or a XR650R, then you may want to contact some of the following companies that produce the dual sport kits as they'll be up to date with the latest Kalifornia legal info on these kits, but I believe you'll have to plate a DRZ400E or XR650R before the first of the year or succumb to the DMV for a red/green sticker for off road use only unless you go with the DRZ400S or XR650L.
Posted October 30, 2003 - 05:19 PM
That's true HWCHUNTER, but where's the state of the art Liquid cooled motor and the updated clocks? That's what I'm really talking about. But I understand that point is moot. I guess I'm like everyone else. I want it all for my specific needs and that doesn't really fit with what the public wants...again, with my limited skills and what's available I keep coming back to the DRZ. Dammit!!! I want to want a Honda..... but I want all the creature comforts too.
OK, I guess you meant 650R instead of 600R in your prior post. I agree that Honda should make a street version of the 650R with e-start even though I personally actually prefer the simplicity of an air/oil-cooled engine.
Posted October 30, 2003 - 05:49 PM
Posted October 30, 2003 - 08:15 PM
Once you have a plate on the bike, it's just like any other street bike, fully transferrable to anyone else. They give you a new pink and you get registration renewals annually. It was made clear that they weren't going to revoke any of the existing conversions even after they stop allowing future conversions (under the current plan) after 1/31/04.
Posted October 30, 2003 - 09:49 PM
Let's say hypothetically that I buy a used 2002 650R from a private party in March of 2004 that's been converted and registered for the street by the previous owner. Does the street legal status carry over to me as the new owner? If so....does that mean it's legal everywhere?
Yes, it carries over from what I understand as long as its plated before this year ends, otherwise the rules change. With a plate, it will be legal everywhere and that's a huge plus. You'll need to provide proof of insurance to the DMV like you would with a car, but Progressive offers some decent rates.
You can find some great deals on used XR650R's in excellent condition, but most are not dual sported. I've seen them as low as 3K for a used 2002 in primo condition, so keep your eyes wide open, but make sure its already plated or get it plated before the end of this year, otherwise you'll be stuck with a green/red sticker.
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Posted October 31, 2003 - 04:08 PM
I'm not sure where you're at in CA, but another TT'r in CA just put his fully equipped XR650R for sale here on TT. I don't know what he's asking for it, but it's fully loaded with a lot of money already spent on it and it has a CA plate based on the description. Here's the link...
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