TheWeez, on 17 June 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

It might be conditioning but I think it's in his head. He needs a bad start and make a run to the front for the win. That would keep all that shit out of his head that he builds up during he moto by just concentrating on passing he guy in front of him instead of worrying about the guy coming behind him

meyermetal, on 17 June 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

I'll give you that. The mental game is huge and once it's beaten you, it's over. There can be no doubt that the guy is really fast. I like Tomac so that's generally who I root for, but yesterday I found myself really hoping Roczen could pull off the win.

don87xr600, on 16 June 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Lappers had nothing to do with it from lap 11 on Baggett was on another level from everyone including Tomac, Barcia, and Roczen
any where from 2 to 5 seconds a lap faster the only one turning lap times in the 2's.  But of course Roczen had lapper problems and
Barcia had setup problems in that moto, the only honest one seems to be Tomac.

excellent idea only racing the top 20 qualified.  let's get rid of the privateer altogether?  How about this, if you don't have a factory ride you don't get to race pro?  who needs up and comers anyways?  who needs the guy 34th place?  all kidding aside, only racing the top 20 has got to be the worst idea i've ever heard in my life.  racing is racing, shit happens.  mechanical failures, injuries, crashes, LAPPERS.  its all part of it.

The guy with the 34th fastest qualifing time got lapped twice in moto 2 250 class. His fastest time was 2:14, slowest 2:31, and last lap was 2:29. livin the dream!

Those lappers can prob spank all our asses on a bad day

briangriff321, on 17 June 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Make that a good day

briangriff321, on 17 June 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

meyermetal, on 17 June 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

No shit, those lappers show up at the local place and probably wax the field generally speaking.

Dont screw with the current format, lappers are part of racing.....pretty much all racing, top riders need to deal with it.....

If you think lappers are tough in this sport just look at the 24 hours of le mans. You've got a wide variety of cars (speeds) all racing on the same track for 24 hours.

meyermetal, on 17 June 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

  Not sure Roczen is that kind of rider

KTMRider4Life, on 17 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

YEP!!! take Phillip Nicoletti for example, he comes to one of the local tracks here in PA, and he's GONE.... he rips

don87xr600, on 17 June 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

and that guy is still faster than all of us!  so he is living the dream!  getting paid to race!  don't dog someone else cause they aren't as fast as the top 10 guys!  he is still the top 40 there!  you know that there are typically about 60-80 people trying to get that spot?  your logic is not very logical!  and you do realize there would still be lappers at 20 people on the track, right?  everyone is so quick to say that lappers are a issue and they ignore the flags.  they are racing just like the other guys.  they are trying to score points just like the rest.  they are trying to get that better bike and team.  the blue flags just mean hold your line and let the fast guys by.  they don't mean stop racing and become a spectator!  if you are lapping those guys you can easily pass them if you choose the right line.  outdoors are full of lines.  if lappers are an issue its because of the lappee not the lapper!  its motocross.... grow up!

T-Doshi9, on 19 June 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

No one is looking at the 34th place rider to put him on a team. He's not getting paid to ride. the prize money isn't enough to break even and he didn't score a point. Stick to the facts please.

I PAY money everytime I race and I enjoy every f'n lap weather I'm getting lapped, paid or watched because I love to ride and race!!  I wish I was fast enough to be the 40th guy on the pro circuit!!  It would be so sikk to even be on the same track racing the 39 other fastest riders on the circuit.  Who cares if they don't get paid, thats why they are there!!! Trying to get points, get paid, get a team ride!!! Hell the 40th guy out there still has more sponsors and better equipment then most &%$#@! out there.  Dude, you have to show up and give it 110% if you want all that even if your not a Ken Roxcen or Blake Baggot.  Nobody wants to see just those few guys race around by themselves Worst idea and post ever!!!  I love when people that don't race wanna cry and change our sport, or people who don't even have a dirtbike wanna cry about us riding on land, the bikes to loud, it tears up dirt,

Edited by GoonSquadCRFx, 19 June 2012 - 06:10 PM.

Heres the answer: the minute you get lapped you have to pull off the track!!  Just kidding , lappers are a part of racing, and 20 riders on a MX track would be boring. Roczen was not going to hold off Bagget. This is Roczens learning year, he has gotten more consistent this year and i think next year he will put it all together. Then again it might just be he is more used to the outdoors as it is much more similiar to the euro tracks he is used to. Doesn't matter , Kenny will always have a tough time with Barcia, Bagget, Tomac and a healthy Dean Wilson around.

don87xr600, on 19 June 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

you must not know any of those guys!  they are being looked at!  they do get support and most of those guys are local and do get paid!!  i know plenty of them locally here that can and do run in those spots.  and i can also tell you that those guys are also the fastest around here on other race days.  you want to stick to facts why don't you!  fact is just cause you don't watch them doesn't mean they don't have a place on the track or that they don't get paid! their sponsors give them money for making the 40 gates.  no they don't get prize money. they may not get points. but if they stop racing they will deff not get either.  if you can do better than them by all means do it! but to bash someone for doing something that you can't do and then say that no one is watching them is facts is in fact NOT FACT!   fact is they are still the top 34 on that track that day when 80 people tried!  and they are still racing and trying to get to 33!


in the past month or so we have had several post about this... some thing that them rolling everything should call for a black flag.. now its only the top 20 is worth being out there... they should stop riding when they see the blue flags and no one cares or watches them!   all completely wrong and would hurt the sport!  its motocross!  race and if you can't pass you don't deserve the win!  how many freaking lines are there on a track at any given point?  you get caught behind someone then who's fault is it?  your behind them watching where they are going... they don't have mirrors on their bikes!  most of them hold their lines and shouldn't be a factor!  and on most days they aren't.  

if you feel things should be changed like that... i hear nascar needs more fans go mess their sport up!

Edited by T-Doshi9, 19 June 2012 - 08:08 PM.

The 34th fastest qualifier in the 250 class listed zero sponsors on his entry form.

don87xr600, on 20 June 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Who cares!

He is faster than me and I'm sure he's faster than you. He qualified for the National so he gets to ride 30min +2 laps just like Baggett

don87xr600, on 20 June 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

so does that mean he is on his own?  i bet he has sponsors on his bike.  just cause they don't list them doesn't mean they aren't getting help.  my good friend never list his sponsors on the entry form. but he named off several of them and pointed them out in the crowd when he won the pikes peak sx this year for his 14th and 15th 1st place finnish there.   and he is given a bike from moto adventures here in colorado.  but his entry form said kx450 and listed no sponsors.  that means nothing!

here learn more before you talk!  34th was jacob hayes #576 first year pro.  he is 18 and he does have sponsors!  since you can't figure out the net or read maybe hearing him tell you is easier!  KISSES!

http://www.racerxonl...s-for-pro-debut

Edited by T-Doshi9, 20 June 2012 - 10:10 AM.