Stewart proving it was the Yamaha



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  • RedRider31

Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:31 PM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

kisses for you my friend!

no kisses for you! :cry:  kisses for all!

Uhhh...  You can save those for James when he gets to Lakewood...

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  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:37 PM


RedRider31, on 22 May 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Uhhh... You can save those for James when he gets to Lakewood...
no kisses?  :cry:

  • GHILL28

Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:00 PM


numroe, on 22 May 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Last year I saw a slow motion HD video of Barcia riding woops on a 2011 CRF450R and the amount of longitudinal flex in the frame was incredible. You can literally see the handlebar cross brace moving to/from the gas cap.

Let's stop and think about this for a second...

You are saying there is visible fore-aft flex in the junction behind the headtube of an aluminum frame?

You DO realize that the gas tanks are typically mounted on rubber grommets, correct?  And that the fit of the bolts that go through those is NOT a super tight slip-fit?

If an aluminum frame had that much flex, it would either already be broken, or be almost broken.

  • numroe

Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:52 PM


GHILL28, on 22 May 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

You are saying there is visible fore-aft flex in the junction behind the headtube of an aluminum frame?
Yes I was implying that. Plus there is visible for-aft flex in the whole frame. Every time the front and rear wheel smash into the top of each bump. The whole chassis shape bends. I know these things flex. I mess with my engine mounts and the difference is substantial. But this visible frame stretch flex was something unexpected to me.

Unrelated side note for entertainment value only: Have you seen old videos of the steel framed 2 strokes bottoming out hard?  Pretty funny how the suspension bottoms out, then the frame bends until the case rails hit the dirt, then the whole thing flexes back into shape.  Well almost ... I also heard that McGrath's 96 CR frame sometimes had to be bent back into shape each week.

GHILL28, on 22 May 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

You DO realize that the gas tanks are typically mounted on rubber grommets, correct?  And that the fit of the bolts that go through those is NOT a super tight slip-fit?
Yeah. I've taken my tank out a few times. :cry:

Edited by numroe, 22 May 2012 - 03:54 PM.


  • KTMRider4Life

Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:56 PM


numroe, on 22 May 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Yes I was implying that. Plus there is visible for-aft flex in the whole frame. Every time the front and rear wheel smash into the top of each bump. The whole chassis shape bends. I know these things flex. I mess with my engine mounts and the difference is substantial. But this visible frame stretch flex was something unexpected to me.

Unrelated side note for entertainment value only: Have you seen old videos of the steel framed 2 strokes bottoming out hard?  Pretty funny how the suspension bottoms out, then the frame bends until the case rails hit the dirt, then the whole thing flexes back into shape.  Well almost ... I also heard that McGrath's 96 CR frame sometimes had to be bent back into shape each week.

Yeah. I've taken my tank out a few times. :cry:

I would definitely think that before they bent his frame back into shape they would replace it. I believe most moto teams replace the frames at regular intervals, pro's who are riding a lot can definitely stress a frame in ways us joe's can't.

  • numroe

Posted 22 May 2012 - 04:10 PM


KTMRider4Life, on 22 May 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

I would definitely think that before they bent his frame back into shape they would replace it. I believe most moto teams replace the frames at regular intervals, pro's who are riding a lot can definitely stress a frame in ways us joe's can't.
I wasn't meaning to sound factual.  Just hear say.  I cannot remember which podcast interview I heard this in. Someone was talking who was in team honda at the time.  I think MC was using his 93 frame for a couple of years since he liked it more than the later steel frames. I'm not sure of the details. Bending a pro cr-mo frame back into shape doesn't surprise me too much considering the material and if the frame was not trivial to replace.

I do a lot of driving and travelling and I've listened to every matthes and pulpmx podcast there is. I love them.  So much info in there by mechanics, managers, race riders, test riders, after market parts guys, etc, etc. Huge amounts of info!

  • KTMRider4Life

Posted 22 May 2012 - 04:25 PM


numroe, on 22 May 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

I wasn't meaning to sound factual.  Just hear say.  I cannot remember which podcast interview I heard this in. Someone was talking who was in team honda at the time.  I think MC was using his 93 frame for a couple of years since he liked it more than the later steel frames. I'm not sure of the details. Bending a pro cr-mo frame back into shape doesn't surprise me too much considering the material and if the frame was not trivial to replace.

I do a lot of driving and travelling and I've listened to every matthes and pulpmx podcast there is. I love them.  So much info in there by mechanics, managers, race riders, test riders, after market parts guys, etc, etc. Huge amounts of info!

What you are saying in regards to the pulp mx show I believe. I've been a rider and occasional racer for years but never got into following the sport until a few years ago. I've listened to probably 5 pulp mx shows and you are right, there is a ton of information on there, the insight is great and it's very interesting to listen to the lengthy interviews. The information you hear there comes out in the rags months later when you're not even interested any longer. Pulp MX is good stuff.

  • 36MotoMarc

Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:02 PM


Of course it was the Yamaha, chumps.  He said it, other Pro's have said it before him.  His results just prooved it.  Occasionally he overcame it on smooth SX tracks, but mostly not.  So get over it Yamaha riders.  Stewart certainly is and was willing to give up MAJOR money to get on a bike he can do his thing on.

He doesn't like your bike.  So f ing what.

  • ColoradoKXer

Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:09 PM


36MotoMarc, on 22 May 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Of course it was the Yamaha, chumps.  He said it, other Pro's have said it before him.  His results just prooved it.  Occasionally he overcame it on smooth SX tracks, but mostly not.  So get over it Yamaha riders.  Stewart certainly is and was willing to give up MAJOR money to get on a bike he can do his thing on.

He doesn't like your bike.  So f ing what.

Welcome to team SNS. A new member is born every weekend.

  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:16 PM


ColoradoKXer, on 22 May 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:



Welcome to team SNS. A new member is born every weekend.
And your the team captain!  :cry:

  • meyermetal

Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:22 PM


d_mac, on 22 May 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:



Perhaps if only JGR Yamaha allowed him to race the outdoors, he wouldn't be too anxious to move out of the company. Well, but things are done already anyway, and I hope to see another yellow era with James on it yeah baby yeah! :cry: :cry:


According to JGR racing the nationals was an option in his contract. James just had to tell them that he wanted to race the series


I don't think he would have gone 1-1 if his bike was blue

  • ColoradoKXer

Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:26 PM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

And your the team captain!  :cry:

I do not swing from stewies nut sack. So therefore I am not part of this team.

  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:55 PM


ColoradoKXer, on 22 May 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:



I do not swing from stewies nut sack. So therefore I am not part of this team.
Oh but you do! Just in a diff way!

  • ncc

Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:03 PM


d_mac, on 22 May 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

:cry: Don't you think Dungey is also having thoughts now with the orange bike :cry:

Not really, I have ridden the dungey replica bike and also ride an RMZ450, and those two bikes handle and ride very similar.

  • meyermetal

Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:16 PM


d_mac, on 22 May 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:



Really, so what's the reason mate why he can't cut it out with the orange bike this time like he did with the sweet Suzie? :cry:

If you have ever actually raced a dirt bike you would already know the answer

  • ncc

Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:20 PM


d_mac, on 22 May 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Really, so what's the reason mate why he can't cut it out with the orange bike this time like he did with the sweet Suzie? :cry:

He cant cut it on the KTM?? Really seems to me,, and I was there, he was on it and only one other person that was slightly ahead of him, he also won a few sx races on the bike,, yeah you must be watching something else?

The bike is good, only thing he needs to do, is on him, he needs to be more aggressive  on passing and let the lappers know to get the hell out of the way.

Edited by ncc, 22 May 2012 - 06:22 PM.


  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:18 PM


meyermetal, on 22 May 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

If you have ever actually raced a dirt bike you would already know the answer
i race and i would like to know your answer!  :cry:  only thing i can think of i will post after you answer... I'm not being facetious when i say please answer why...

  • ncc

Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:02 PM


d_mac, on 22 May 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Whatever, he won't win any title under the orange banner unlike when he was with the sweet Suzie GUARANTEED mate :cry:

Just like McGrath and Langston who were forced to retire (the latter momentarily though) due to incessant injuries they sustained c/o the White Power KTM :ride: ....and even Alessi who was more of a mid-pack rider :p

If you wanna win MX and SX in the US, it being the most competitive theatre in the world, ride a Japanese bike GUARANTEED mate Cheers! :cry:

Hahaha, funny, none of those guys were on the bike built just for RD, it is the closest thing to and RMZ you can get, there is nothing in that bike holding RD back.

  • hyper7driver

Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:40 AM


d_mac, on 22 May 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Whatever, he won't win any title under the orange banner unlike when he was with the sweet Suzie GUARANTEED mate :cry:

Just like McGrath and Langston who were forced to retire (the latter momentarily though) due to incessant injuries they sustained c/o the White Power KTM :ride: ....and even Alessi who was more of a mid-pack rider :p

If you wanna win MX and SX in the US, it being the most competitive theatre in the world, ride a Japanese bike GUARANTEED mate Cheers! :cry:

If DeCoster can bring the RMZ up to championship level, he can do it with the KTM. You can give DeCoster a pile of iron ore, nikel, some petroleum to make fuel and rubber out of, few other things, and in a few months have a championship bike. The changes made to the KTM when Dungey came on board were nothing new to DeCoster, and bringing Dungey on board was to show case the new changes on the track. Now believe this, Dungey is about to pove it was the rider, not the bike.

  • TheWeez

Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:49 AM


meyermetal, on 22 May 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Just think......If Reed stayed with Suzuki he would have won everything the past few years :cry:
Reed rode MUCH BETTER on the Honda than he's ridden anything in his entire life. Right up until he wrecked himself out of contention.





 
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