Stewart proving it was the Yamaha



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  • 2-Strokes 4-ever

Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:37 AM


d_mac, on 22 May 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Carmicheal is the ultimate cut-and-thrust rider that he was even involved in the designing of the 2005 and most especially the 2006 RM250 2-stroke. Even Suzuki that time described Carmichael as wanting all the power he can get especially out the turns or in manoeuvres and he prefers a bike that hits real hard at the low-end. His modified 55 hp RM250 is not even fitted an exhaust that modulates down the power, unlike Reed in his YZ250 his Pro-Circuit is specially designed for him to meter the same 55 hp coming out from his bike.

This is also the reason why the 2006 RM250 hits quickly off-the-bottom that many mere riders complained about. But Suzuki listens; so in 2007 the yellow bike received some port modification to mellow down the bottom hit.

If there is someone who is a brillant cut-and-thruster, it is Weecky Carcmichael in my opinion :cry:
Off topic...

In an article I read by DeCoster, he said, "Carmichael is the only guy I've ever seen to wear out the top of a carb (where the slide hits.) :cry:

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  • TheWeez

Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:51 AM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Who said that it isnt mental mistakes aswell?  To crash out of 10 of the 12 races speaks alittle more that it just being a mental mistake!  You find it wierd that he goes outside and rides longer harder and same if not more pressure he is able to go 1-1?  no it couldne be the bike at all!  Its all js not wanting to win and wanting to bounce off the ground EVERY race!
There's lots of other Yamahas out there that didn't seem to wad up almost every race? Millsaps seems to do very well on it, as well as lots of other riders. I'm not saying the bike didn't play a large role in his bad season, but you can't put the blame squarely on the bike; especially since there are lots of others riding the same bike and not wadding themselves up. I do believe he did not like the bike which probably played a big role in him crashing all the time. There can be no doubt that he does look more comfortable on the new bike.

  • ColoradoKXer

Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:51 AM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

i would say 1/3 of them were due to him and only him.  and thats pretty normal given his past.  now answer mine!

I'm glad we started talking about this because it got me thinking. It's not Stewart I have an issue with. It's his fans!!!!!

This is my take. The guy was stuck in a rut. He was making Mental errors during the Supercross season and it was making his confidence lower. So he needed a change. Plus he had way more pressure in Supercross then he has in Mx because nothing is expected from him. So he goes out gets on a different bike and relaxes and just has fun. And look what happend 1-1. Which proves deadly for the competition. So in my opinion he was a rolling head case and needed a change.

I actually admire him for not saying the Yamaha was a pos. Its his fans that assume that if it won't work for him then it must be the worst bike in the world.

But as the year goes on he is only gonna get better. But as he stays in the race for the championship the pressure will get greater and I'm anxious to see how he will handle that.

  • NaPaul

Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:12 AM


jcm3, on 22 May 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:



I can't disagree with anything that you said here.  I think we both agree that there are changes that should be made, so it will be interesting to see how long it takes them to get it done.
Ah we were on the same page all along! Damn misunderstandings!

  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:19 AM


ColoradoKXer, on 22 May 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

I'm glad we started talking about this because it got me thinking. It's not Stewart I have an issue with. It's his fans!!!!! This is my take. The guy was stuck in a rut. He was making Mental errors during the Supercross season and it was making his confidence lower. So he needed a change. Plus he had way more pressure in Supercross then he has in Mx because nothing is expected from him. So he goes out gets on a different bike and relaxes and just has fun. And look what happend 1-1. Which proves deadly for the competition. So in my opinion he was a rolling head case and needed a change. I actually admire him for not saying the Yamaha was a pos. Its his fans that assume that if it won't work for him then it must be the worst bike in the world. But as the year goes on he is only gonna get better. But as he stays in the race for the championship the pressure will get greater and I'm anxious to see how he will handle that.
   its funny that you are blaming his fans for saying the yami is crap.  there have been PLENTY of people in the industry saying that bike isn't right!  you can call it how you want but you are completely taking out that the bike is and was racting diff with him on it.  mental or not it didn't work for him and he has said it many times!

TheWeez, on 22 May 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

There's lots of other Yamahas out there that didn't seem to wad up almost every race? Millsaps seems to do very well on it, as well as lots of other riders. I'm not saying the bike didn't play a large role in his bad season, but you can't put the blame squarely on the bike; especially since there are lots of others riding the same bike and not wadding themselves up. I do believe he did not like the bike which probably played a big role in him crashing all the time. There can be no doubt that he does look more comfortable on the new bike.
  im pretty sure i have said it many times that some can ride it.  some can't!   not everyone rides the same.  heavy front.. smooth style..  stiff.. soft.. its all in the set up and style of riding.  i have never said that every yami sux for everyone... in fact i think that i said 1/3 of the race crashes were soley on him and that alone.  now your assuming that i think the other 2/3's are the yami and it only!  i didn't say that and i will not say it!

  • TheWeez

Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:30 AM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

its funny that you are blaming his fans for saying the yami is crap.  there have been PLENTY of people in the industry saying that bike isn't right!  you can call it how you want but you are completely taking out that the bike is and was racting diff with him on it.  mental or not it didn't work for him and he has said it many times!

  im pretty sure i have said it many times that some can ride it.  some can't!   not everyone rides the same.  heavy front.. smooth style..  stiff.. soft.. its all in the set up and style of riding.  i have never said that every yami sux for everyone... in fact i think that i said 1/3 of the race crashes were soley on him and that alone.  now your assuming that i think the other 2/3's are the yami and it only!  i didn't say that and i will not say it!
I'm not assuming that at all. I just said plenty of other riders have no issues with the Yami.

  • ColoradoKXer

Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:45 AM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

its funny that you are blaming his fans for saying the yami is crap.  there have been PLENTY of people in the industry saying that bike isn't right!  you can call it how you want but you are completely taking out that the bike is and was racting diff with him on it.  mental or not it didn't work for him and he has said it many times!

  im pretty sure i have said it many times that some can ride it.  some can't!   not everyone rides the same.  heavy front.. smooth style..  stiff.. soft.. its all in the set up and style of riding.  i have never said that every yami sux for everyone... in fact i think that i said 1/3 of the race crashes were soley on him and that alone.  now your assuming that i think the other 2/3's are the yami and it only!  i didn't say that and i will not say it!

You aren't putting enough on the rider. Seems like you and James are in denial but I see that James overcame that.

I will blame the bike for crashing gourke at Houston. That was one pissed off machine that took RCs advise. If you can't win crash someone that can.

  • jcm3

Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:48 AM


NaPaul, on 22 May 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Ah we were on the same page all along! Damn misunderstandings!

:cry:

Sometimes things don't come across right in something other than face to face communication.

  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:29 AM


ColoradoKXer, on 22 May 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:



You aren't putting enough on the rider. Seems like you and James are in denial but I see that James overcame that.

I will blame the bike for crashing gourke at Houston. That was one pissed off machine that took RCs advise. If you can't win crash someone that can.
So i answer you but you dont answer me?

  • BDubb106

Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:42 AM


ColoradoKXer, on 22 May 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

You aren't putting enough on the rider. Seems like you and James are in denial but I see that James overcame that.

I will blame the bike for crashing gourke at Houston. That was one pissed off machine that took RCs advise. If you can't win crash someone that can.

Ill make this short and sweet...

OR James really did have an issue with the bike and he just couldnt gel with it like he's said in every interview Ive heard since he is no longer contracted to say its a great bike :cry:

Juss sayin

Edited by BDubb106, 22 May 2012 - 11:43 AM.


  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:45 AM


BDubb106, on 22 May 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:



Ill make this short and sweet...

OR James really did have an issue with the bike and he just couldnt gel with it like he's said in every interview Ive heard since he is no longer contracted to say its a great bike :cry:

Juss sayin
no way dude!  He just sucks and cant handle pressure!  He has no pressure now he is riding for no one but himself!  Absolutly no pressure at all!  The second he has pressure he will crumble! Thats the only reason he is winning now....

Edited by T-Doshi9, 22 May 2012 - 11:46 AM.


  • KTMRider4Life

Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:47 AM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

no way dude!  He just sucks and cant handle pressure!  He has no pressure now he is riding for no one but himself!  Absolutly no pressure at all!  The second he has pressure he will crumble! Thats the only reason he is winning now....

There may be some truth to what you just typed.

  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:48 AM


KTMRider4Life, on 22 May 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:



There may be some truth to what you just typed.
Too bad none of it is true!  NONE!  Get my money!

  • BDubb106

Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:55 AM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Too bad none of it is true!  NONE!  Get my money!

Make it rain!!! Just be sure you wear a hard hat

  • ColoradoKXer

Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:55 AM


T-Doshi9, on 22 May 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

no way dude!  He just sucks and cant handle pressure!  He has no pressure now he is riding for no one but himself!  Absolutly no pressure at all!  The second he has pressure he will crumble! Thats the only reason he is winning now....

Glad you are starting to see the light.

And he is the one in control of they bike. Not the other way around. So it's hard for me too blame the bike. But I would love some examples of the being the majority of the problem.

  • T-Doshi9

Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:00 PM


ColoradoKXer, on 22 May 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Glad you are starting to see the light.

And he is the one in control of they bike. Not the other way around. So it's hard for me too blame the bike. But I would love some examples of the being the majority of the problem.
dude really your the one that is looking dumb right now!  you can't tell me that you don't believe that the bike and the setup is not a factor?  don't be dumb... i know the bike doesn't ride itself!  why do we rate the new bikes?  why are the first like 3 or 4 months of the year in the mags set aside for talking about new bikes and how they differ?  if they are not a factor why do we even care?  like i said your the one coming off dumb here!  i never said it was 100% the issue!

  • BDubb106

Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:14 PM


ColoradoKXer, on 22 May 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Glad you are starting to see the light.

And he is the one in control of they bike. Not the other way around. So it's hard for me too blame the bike. But I would love some examples of the being the majority of the problem.
:cry: :cry:

  • ColoradoKXer

Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:20 PM


I'm dumb? You're the one screaming on the Internet. Nobody can hear you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See.

As far as stewie it was 90% him 10% bike.

  • BDubb106

Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:24 PM


Ill put some of the blame on Stew but you really have no idea the level of confidence these guys have to have in their bikes do you? That would shake even the most veteran riders.

  • TheWeez

Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:31 PM


Just think, If JS were on a Honda, there might as well be no other riders on the track. FO SHIZZLE!!!!!!





 
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