I have a 2008 CRF250 and have recently installed a Rekluse Core EXP 2.0.  I have a question for others that have this specific clutch.

Do you feel you can go from zero to 30mph (like a start/race to turn one) faster with the rekluse, or, are you faster without it?  Not whether you are more consistant, but overall, are you faster to turn one with or without the use of the Rekluse?

I know the Rekluse is an amazing product, and the tech help has been awesome!!  But, my question is ONLY in regards to whether the bike (250cc four stroke) is faster to turn one with or without.

Thanks in advance,

I'm faster at dead engine starts with the autoclutch

How 'bout a "normal" start?

Is the Rekluse faster on starts?

yes

My starts are the same since I use the clutch lever for starts. If you don't use the clutch lever the engine rpm's are too low to get you off the line as quick as everyone else.

I used it in my 250 for harescramble's, dead engine start, and got the holeshot 8 out of ten times,

But, it does take some technique, start in second and while the other guys are spinning up in 1st or backing off to keep the front down you just keep it pinned and when they change to secong you jump a bike length or more, its great!

mkeeping, on 30 April 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Just like you said........only if a body could rev the rpm's up a bit and not use the clutch.  Thats the down fall to the Rekluse,You cant rev the bike while on the gate,thus not being able to get that quick jump off the gate to stay with every1 else.

if you r sitting on the line just at idle and the gate drops then u gas it,every1 else gets the jump on u cause they were reving there bikes and u weren't thus leaving u behind a bit. You could take off from the gate in 3rd at idle and if its a long start stretch then when everyone else in shifting into 3rd you r all ready in 3rd and will not have 2 shift and may pass a few or get 2 the front cause you didn't have 2 shift.

CaptainKnobby, on 30 April 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

what?  it takes 2 steps

step1 pull clutch
step2 rev motor

agree with above.. you can still use the clutch lever like normal, and the lever even feels stock with the EXP 2.0..

in reference to dead engine starts for harescrambles, The guys with 2-strokes have an advantage as the bike fires off very easily in gear. My good buddy in SrA with me has a 2010yz250. I suggested he get the exp2.0 after wrist surgery, big mistake (for me ) I can get by eventually but his starts are amazing. He runs to the bike with it in 2nd already (we have LeMans style start in harescramble) and 1 swift kick and gas.. he's gone. My crf450r will NOT start in gear even with a exp2.0 with regularity.. so i have that little extra second or so of kick, making sure it's running before i drop it in gear and give gas (or it's lots of kicks), then gas .. no need for clutch in this style of start really. The guys that also kill me on starts are the ktm recluse guys. They move the start button to the left and are starting the bike with the left hand as they are swinging the leg over the bike, so all they have do do is get the hand on the grip and twist the throttle, they are going almost before on the bike all the way. The kx450 seems to start in gear, i have no idea why hondas wont'.. and my buddy with a cr250 won't get his to fire off reliably in gear either..

There was a VERY good video by Jason Raines on his offroad viking video website, but i couldn't find it the last time i looked.. they have dead eng. starts in GNCC but sitting on the bike, he runs the bike, heats up the clutch a bit, then with the lever pulled in kills it. Looks for the right spot in the kick starter lever .. and fires it off with the clutch lever still pulled in as all the plates are apart i guess.
I heard Kenny Keylon (ssA super fast guy, former AA rider down here from years back) puts a stick in his barkbuster of his kx450 four stroke to hold the clutch lever in for his starts. he gets the hole shot most times and as i said, for whateever reason the kx 4t starts in gear reliably

MX? might be a different story.. good starters may get better starts feeding the clutch? If you rev the bike with the lever pulled in, the EXP 2.0 is engaged! the weights are spun out and you should be able to feed it like normal. Sure, taking off from a gate mx start at idle and just gassing it would not be the best way to go in my opinion.

Edited by MELK-MAN, 30 April 2012 - 04:49 PM.

MrBlahh, on 30 April 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

I know that!......I was talking about taking off from the gate at idle (no reving) clutch lever out. When gate drops........twist throttle .....and go!!!!!!   by doing it this way......you cant beat the others off the gate......Due to the fact that your engine is not up into the RPM's thus making the launch from off the gate slow.

1 Step:   Sit and wait for gate to drop

I don't consider having to use the clutch on the start of a motocross race a "downfall" of the Rekluse. It makes it the same as every other clutch on the gate but better everywhere else.

For hare scrambles I have the bike in gear and my crf450 starts reliably. The Rekluse has really improved my hare scramble starts.

mkeeping, on 01 May 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

no crap?? dang. no way will my crf450r start consistantly in gear.. what oil, what clutch plates, oem or aftermarekt basket?

Dead engine HS/CC starts are great with a Rekluse. Leave it in 1st, kickstart and electric start at the same time......hold on! I have always been a good starter though.

Sounds like if you are a "dead engine starter", the Rekluse is a great too (for starts I'm talking).

I havent heard one person say the Rekluse makes starts faster under the normal mx/flattrack type gate starts.

MELK-MAN, on 01 May 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Stock clutch plates and basket, running rotella oil.

cdaniels, on 01 May 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

I was going back and forth about buying a rekluse for the trail... after riding a bike with one in...no chance in hell... it felt goofy and kind of took the fun out or riding. Maybe it was the way it was tuned, maybe not... either way not going to happen. I like clutching and being able to lug a bike at near idle with out having the engine disengage.

But i just wanted to point out that Rekluse doesn't advertise "faster starts" just more consistent ones!

mkeeping, on 02 May 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

running the same engagement springs as they came from Rekluse? 3blue/3red?
I run the white jug rotella but used to run blue jug rotella on the clutch side, but found the synth rotella to not engage as hard, and the oil would come out dirty faster as the clutch was slipping more than it should .. i felt anyway.. talking with the rekluse techs, they suggested NOT using the synth but rather the white jug rotella and sure enough, after 15hrs and a few changes of oil, it is hooking up better and not gettin dirty AS fast.
Still can't start in gear all the time though

MrDieselTwitch, on 02 May 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

try riding your bike in some TIGHT single track for an hour, fast, with other guys breathing down your neck or bumping into them in front of you Then stall a couple times as your hand wears out a bit and your mind begins to turn to mush trying to constantly monitor a hard pull of a crf450 (as you have) and THEN go ride your bike with one the same way (they offer your money back guarantee). I too find times i DON'T like it, but for woods riding the good FAR outweighs the bad for me. I don't like it for MX as much i will give you that.

That said.. and not turning this into a use vs. not use debate.. it was about does it improve starts, but most GNCC guys do NOT use autoclutch BUT you need to understand, those courses are 40' WIDE and much more open than harescrambles (that incorporate single track) and enduros.

Matt Lemoine uses Core EXP in SuperCross, he stated in an interview not too long ago that he uses the clutch lever just like he always would during starts. He got hole shots before and after using Rekluse.

MELK-MAN, on 02 May 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

I run the rotella in the white jug and I use the same engagement springs that came installed from Rekluse. My bike has always been really easy to start; it is likely just luck of the draw.