tribalbc, on 28 April 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

  Me! I'll ride it! Where is one in the west???? Horsepower is irrelevant! It is torque that moves your ass, breaks case hardened steel like it was peanut brittle and stretches your arms out to 3 times the length!.....

Stu2, on 29 April 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

to each there own, modern 4 strokes are heavy slow handling pigs

Stu2, on 29 April 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

+1 LMAO we have hit the nostalgia vortex again back when I was a boy.....

KX 500 ripping it up...yea...what a sluggish, unresponsive...pig.

Edited by OrangeWhip, 29 April 2012 - 04:54 PM.

Stu2, on 29 April 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Your  high

Nothing smoother, This guy around here rides his
PE 40, 465 or what ever it is 30+ years never even a top end.

Had many of them back in the day and they all ran great.  I only
lost one of those motors ever and that was running giant hills all
day in about 1975.

If I was in the desert d ride that KX500 AF.
Here I ride my 265, The 350 is not my mainstay.

ossidog, on 28 April 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

for the nice bike and for Be Cool Radiators, made right here in my home town...

Chaconne, on 29 April 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Four strokes are for the nostalgic. What got wiped off the face of mx back in the 60's when two strokes were thrown into the mix? Oh yeah, four strokes. The AMA got so nostalgic they even let the four strokes have almost double the displacement of the two strokes they would race against just so they could be competitive. Let's face it, four strokes are old technology. They have been around several years longer than two strokes. And don't tell me fuel injection is new technology either. The Germans had it on planes like the BF-109 in the early 40's.

Edited by Ih8Hondas, 29 April 2012 - 05:02 PM.

who killed the open class?

http://twostrokemoto...he-body-buried/

An open 2 stroke class is great but just an open class with 2 and 4 stroke would be good too. .. Actually it would be great to have some 400cc and 450cc 2 strokes developed to run in the 450 class now(like it was before) and 250 2 strokes running in the 250 4t class as well. but whatever... any increase in 2 strokes racing would be great to me.  I grew up with full size 100cc class, 125cc, 175cc, 250 and open class. .. That would be fine to me. If you had more classes separated like this it can add to the participation , It's like boxing and the many classes. If you were to change boxing back to only 2 weight divisions it would suck. I think it would help anyway. It worked before in motorcyclings heyday I don't see why it couldn't work now. ..except that the class structure is idiotic at best making 250 2 strokes have to race against 450 2 strokes and 125's race against 250's..Right well anyway Yea an open class 2 stroke class would be awesome!!!! and a 200cc 2 stroke class and a 125 two stroke class!!!!

It all can be done. Hell look at the 350cc 4t race bikes being developed now... How many people buy those? enough apparently.



Stephan Everts looks good on a 2 stroke 500 in here... nice with both 2 and 4 stroke to me.

An unlimited 2 stroke class would be fantastic!!  Not only would it be interesting but it would also be a way for the factories to finally work out a formula for the return of the 2 stroke.  Sort of like what they did to the rules that paved the way for the return of the 4 stroke.

As for the bikes themselves, I've ridden a few 450's (actually owned a '08 z450) and still was more impressed with the power of a friends old '95 KX500.  By a wide margin the KX was more powerful than the 450's, as the power was far more violent and just plain more fun!  If the factories could smooth out some of the power and make them easier to start (a huge problem for most big bore 2 strokes) then yes I could see then return.

I find it entertaining when people say "two strokes are crap there too hard to ride, or too much hit" refering to as 250 MXer, then others say "kx/cr 500's are crap they got no hit, too smooth". I reckon there should be no displacement limit for 2 strokes compared to four strokes. What does everyone think a factory 250f makes (horsepower)? And the how much would an ol factory 250 pinger ringer dinger make? would it be something like 45 and 55? The only dirt bikes im going to ride for the rest of my life are the ones where the plug fires at every Top Dead Centre......

Natho, on 29 April 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

You make a great point. 500's are tractors, not unlike 450 four strokes. But they're better because they are simpler, cheaper, quieter, and make prettier noises. Why were 450's developed again? A 500 is the same thing. All torque.

I really need to stop reading this thread. It really makes me want a KX500AF to ride in the 450 class and BBO.

Edited by Ih8Hondas, 29 April 2012 - 08:01 PM.

A modern chassis fitted with the 500cc smoker motor is plenty competitive.  A racer could buy something like this and race the hell out of it for probably two seasons on nothing but oil changes and maybe a ring at the end of the year, just to have a peek inside the motor just to be sure.  BTW, Everts was awesome on his 500.

At least for SX there should be an open class after the 450's. The horsepower isn't the key on those small tracks, even the 450 4t is making more than enough HP. It is being able to spread it across a wide band and have solid hook up that is more critical. I don't care if you put a 1L 2 stroke out there as long as you can get that power to the ground and get the chasis to turn like a champ you win.

I wouldn't be suprised to see the winning combo being a 3-400 cc 2stroke.

hawaiidirtrider, on 29 April 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

It looked like a promo day for Honda. I would like to have seen more yellow, blue and green. I wonder if the yellow bike had the 500 cc quad motor in it and what engine the blue bike had in it? No KTMs? Big 2 strokes have such brutal power delivery. I didn't see anyone hammering them off corners and it seemed like everyone was looking for a berm. Ah, the good old days!

Edited by vidarapido, 30 April 2012 - 08:02 AM.

Want in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first.  No matter how much any of us want it to happen, it ain't gonna.

Just think if Yamaha sold this here what could have been..........

I think if there would be unlimited 2-strokes allowed they would not have more than 350-400cc, thats more than a normal human can handle at least if he tries to be as fast as possible.

And by the way: these 700cc Maicos are slow revving vibrating pieces of junk any well tuned 300KTM, Husky or TM will kill them anywhere but on a dragstrip !

Stu2, on 29 April 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Look, I'll be one of the first to show up whenever a die-hard 2-stroke fan bashes thumpers (even though I currently own a 2-stroke), but that statement's just ignorant.  Let people ride what they want to ride.  With the technology we have available now, if all of the major manufacturers would go back to offering 2-strokes again you'd be surprised what they could build.

Choice is a good thing.  I'd love to have a 450F right beside my 250 smoker, and the opposite would be true if I had a 450F in the garage right now.

vidarapido, on 29 April 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Got any video or some link to some? I'd love to see and hear some of that!!!!!