I realize Supercross dominates here but... Villapoto or Caselli?



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  • BDubb106

Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:03 PM

#21

Bingold, on 28 April 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:


Edit: And flat-bills are legit hahaha

Kinda the same way that snap-backs are in style again!

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  • yamahammer426

Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:33 PM

#22

portlandcsc, on 28 April 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Thank you flat bill crowd for all the abuse.. My job is done here.

"Flat bill crowd". :banghead:

You're a joke.

Edited by yamahammer426, 28 April 2012 - 02:35 PM.


  • ossidog

Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:49 PM

#23

Taddy?

Ok, whom is better as a rider.

The first two formally if one
has no knowledge of them.




Casey Stoner, Mark Coma,
RV or Taddy?



You could even argue that
none of them are the best on
two wheels.

  • KAWMXER

Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:37 PM

#24

As long as we are comparing, who has the better set of ta ta's Erin Bates or Dianna Dahlgren?

Edited by KAWMXER, 28 April 2012 - 04:38 PM.


  • BDubb106

Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:41 PM

#25

Erin Bates! I have a thing for tall chicks! :banghead:

  • wes513v

Posted 28 April 2012 - 05:41 PM

#26

KAWMXER, on 28 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

As long as we are comparing, who has the better set of ta ta's Erin Bates or Dianna Dahlgren?

This is so stupid, one set is full of silicone and the other is...oh, er, never mind... :banghead:

Edited by wes513v, 28 April 2012 - 05:42 PM.


  • wes513v

Posted 28 April 2012 - 05:44 PM

#27

mauricedorris, on 28 April 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

A worcs race is not a national hare n hound.   Not the same.  Not close.

Both are Caselli and Villopoto are great riders at the top of their respective games.   Why compare them?

Agreed, but it's what the OP wanted. Those are my examples and I'm comfortable with them.

  • hyper7driver

Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:33 PM

#28

DesertCR, on 28 April 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well having ridden both desert and motocross, I have always thought that sx/mx takes more skill to ride.  I also think that sx/mx riders have the fastest reflexes and they do train with alot of intensity and duration.  If the top mx/sx riders were to all of a sudden start racing desert and worcs races they would dominate within no time.  I think that riders like Dungey and Villopoto are in such good conditioning that they would have no problem racing desert races, jmho.

I agree with this, they have the raw talent to get it done. But getting bike set up, changes in their workout program and so on will all get adjusted to a different type of riding in a fairly short amount of time.

  • MTO

Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:54 PM

#29

Never underestimate a crossover rider. I think it would be fun to see more of this.

http://www.dirtrider...rida/index.html

Quote

"That was the hardest thing I've ever done," he said on the podium, "That made two motos in Southwick seem easy; I never would have believed that!"


http://flosshard.com...murkd-everyone/

Edited by MTO, 28 April 2012 - 10:57 PM.


  • meyermetal

Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:40 AM

#30

If you got the skills it don't matter what kind of a race it is


Henry was exhausted after the win but a change in his fitness routine could fix that

  • portlandcsc

Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:16 AM

#31

eotrampman, on 28 April 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Is caselli going to triple out of a corner?  Would he if he could make supercross bucks? probably, but he would have to win as well.  


Calling these guys flat billers is not going to be an insult.  There are many badasses in dirtbiking.  You got a chip on your shoulder.
No, no chip. Just taking the piss out of some that are WAY TOO SERIOUS about their particular discipline. i can't reply to all but keep the insults coming! I'm pleased flat billers is a compliment. Anyone who supports the sport I can respect. You really want to get some ammo? see my youtube clips :banghead: Then you can have a real laugh.

  • pre-mixed

Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:47 AM

#32

I don't think anyone has mentioned Mike Brown yet. if i remember right a 125 outdoor champ and in 09 a worcs champ. also doing pretty well in enduro-x. I think he still races one national a year to keep his number kind of like John Dowd does. I actually like offroad better but i doubt we will ever see anyone come over from off road and dominate or even really be a  championship contender in MX/SX.

  • KTMRider4Life

Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:08 AM

#33

For those that debate which is tougher mx or off road I find it interesting Henry said this:'


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Doug Henry crossed the finish line dehydrated and exhausted with Salminen less than ten seconds off. Henry handed off his bike and collapsed, lying on the ground with an a dirty smile on his face. "That was the hardest thing I've ever done," he said on the podium, "That made two motos in Southwick seem easy; I never would have believed that!"

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  • 7thirtyseven

Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM

#34

Point one... this is not an idiotic thread.

Point two... it is being discussed at a low level.
  For your continued education please turn your eyes towards one Graham Jarvis... right now there is NO one on a dirtbike that is even close to his level.  Sure he wouldnt make it to a supercross main, but he'd make it round the course... on the otherhand many of the aformentioned riders would turn into sniveling babes very quickly on the terrain Jarvis excels at.

Credit wher credit is due, right now all others are in Jarvis' shade.

  • BDubb106

Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:18 AM

#35

7thirtyseven, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Point one... this is not an idiotic thread.

Point two... it is being discussed at a low level.
  For your continued education please turn your eyes towards one Graham Jarvis... right now there is NO one on a dirtbike that is even close to his level.  Sure he wouldnt make it to a supercross main, but he'd make it round the course... on the otherhand many of the aformentioned riders would turn into sniveling babes very quickly on the terrain Jarvis excels at.

Credit wher credit is due, right now all others are in Jarvis' shade.

IMO it is an idiotic thread in the sense that it was layed on the table. The way you put it on paper would be a great discussion. The difference is your not making comparisons between two very different skills, its very ok to give credit which is well deserved... but to discuss one being better than the other is just silly. This is just my opinion but like my example given before, kinda like comparing sprinters to distance runners, a distance runner wouldnt win a 100m dash nor would a sprinter win the 26k. These guys are trained and conditioned to ride one or the other, not both. Give either rider a little time to train for the other and condition their bodies appropriately and Im sure they would excel.

Im just trying to be realistic. I dont discredit either type of riding, because after all as long as your riding your good in my book. To discredit either is just not fair, again just my opinion but what do I know. :banghead:

Edited by BDubb106, 29 April 2012 - 07:22 AM.


  • 7thirtyseven

Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:37 AM

#36

understood, and perfectly valid... how ever it is a good discussion if it opens the eyes of some to the vast skills of riders than dont hit the limelight in this forum.... you gotta admit most of the threads on here are.... ahhh... "one dimensional"

  • gnarlycharly

Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:53 AM

#37

i've always thought of this comparison, i remember tomac raced a couple worcs races (which is a lot of rough desert riding with a little mx) and did very well for not training for it at all.  and dietrech, basically the top of the worcs racing raced mx and did OK.

  • meyermetal

Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:23 AM

#38

Anybody remeber this guy? I was a big fan but he never really made it in Motocross then he kicked all the off road guys butts for years

If your fast your fast.....Period

http://www.gnccracin...rodney-smith-31

Edited by meyermetal, 29 April 2012 - 09:25 AM.


  • wes513v

Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:22 AM

#39

7thirtyseven, on 29 April 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

understood, and perfectly valid... how ever it is a good discussion if it opens the eyes of some to the vast skills of riders than dont hit the limelight in this forum.... you gotta admit most of the threads on here are.... ahhh... "one dimensional"

Not to point out the obvious, but it is the "pro racing "forum, and yes the threads are one dimensional in that respect. There are amazing riders in all aspects of the sport, and each have their skill sets that make them stand out, but the responses to the original question have been mostly good. Is it silly to compare one vs the other? Maybe, but since there has been crossover between the sports mentioned, it can be validated. Not like comparing trials riding and sx or mx. Yes, Graham Jarvis does mind blowing things on terrain the a goat would walk away from. But it's not pro racing, and when he race there are others who, while maybe not as proficient as he at everything, are right there with him. On a SX track, he doesn't qualify for the night program I'm guessing. It's just not what he does, so I wouldn't expect much from him.

  • Thumperer

Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:24 AM

#40

NP4M, on 28 April 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Both sets of skills are amazing and I wish I had the bike control of those guys.  Overall though, I would give the nod to the off road guys (Caselli, Norman, et all).

Check out Caselli's helmet cam from last weekend.  Friggin' scary! http://vurboffroad.c...nd-round-4/363/

Bahhhh, he was only fast in the straight aways! Anybody can do that! :banghead:





 
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