For many reasons sure to piss off the SX contingent here, Caselli would spank Villapoto, Stewart or any other CC rider. Not only the fastest man on 2 wheels(in the dirt), But a true Ambassador of the sport. Let's here how the CC 20 minute moto people are superior to the 3 hour, 100 mile Hare & hound people. Bring on the abuse! Villapoto couldn't hang 10 minutes with Caselli, Kamo, Norman, Pearson etc.
I realize Supercross dominates here but... Villapoto or Caselli?
Started by
portlandcsc
, Apr 28 2012 01:42 AM
47 replies to this topic
Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:27 AM
Oh come on not the same discussion over and over again !!!
its like in athletics compare a sprinter witrh a long distance runner, both disciplines are completely different and both can be great athletes !
its like in athletics compare a sprinter witrh a long distance runner, both disciplines are completely different and both can be great athletes !
Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:17 AM
One need look no further than Ricky Deitrich for your answer. Offroad a multi time champ and, having beaten Caselli several times, can be considered a legitimate litmus test. On a motocross track, I think his best finish was a 5th? And on the flip side, a motocrosser in the off road world, Mike Alessi won the Lake Havasu round of the WORCS races a few years ago. Since Alessi is no Villopoto, it may not be a fair comparison, but, well, there you have it...
Posted 28 April 2012 - 05:48 AM
portlandcsc, on 28 April 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:
For many reasons sure to piss off the SX contingent here, Caselli would spank Villapoto, Stewart or any other CC rider. Not only the fastest man on 2 wheels(in the dirt), But a true Ambassador of the sport. Let's here how the CC 20 minute moto people are superior to the 3 hour, 100 mile Hare & hound people. Bring on the abuse! Villapoto couldn't hang 10 minutes with Caselli, Kamo, Norman, Pearson etc.
What about Ricky Dietrich? He did well but did not win. Distance racers don't usually train for all out sprint races. There is no doubt they have the ability though!
Edited by vidarapido, 28 April 2012 - 06:34 AM.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:19 AM
portlandcsc, on 28 April 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:
For many reasons sure to piss off the SX contingent here, Caselli would spank Villapoto, Stewart or any other CC rider. Not only the fastest man on 2 wheels(in the dirt), But a true Ambassador of the sport. Let's here how the CC 20 minute moto people are superior to the 3 hour, 100 mile Hare & hound people. Bring on the abuse! Villapoto couldn't hang 10 minutes with Caselli, Kamo, Norman, Pearson etc.
Last time I checked, Villopoto, Stewart, etc. don't race hare scrambles, and Caselli, Norman, etc. don't race supercross. Do you have a point, or did you post this with the specific intention of pissing off people who enjoy a different form of dirt bike racing from you?
Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:58 AM
wes513v, on 28 April 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:
One need look no further than Ricky Deitrich for your answer. Offroad a multi time champ and, having beaten Caselli several times, can be considered a legitimate litmus test. On a motocross track, I think his best finish was a 5th? And on the flip side, a motocrosser in the off road world, Mike Alessi won the Lake Havasu round of the WORCS races a few years ago. Since Alessi is no Villopoto, it may not be a fair comparison, but, well, there you have it...
Both are Caselli and Villopoto are great riders at the top of their respective games. Why compare them?
Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:14 AM
portlandcsc, on 28 April 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:
For many reasons sure to piss off the SX contingent here, Caselli would spank Villapoto, Stewart or any other CC rider. Not only the fastest man on 2 wheels(in the dirt), But a true Ambassador of the sport. Let's here how the CC 20 minute moto people are superior to the 3 hour, 100 mile Hare & hound people. Bring on the abuse! Villapoto couldn't hang 10 minutes with Caselli, Kamo, Norman, Pearson etc.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:37 AM
Both sets of skills are amazing and I wish I had the bike control of those guys. Overall though, I would give the nod to the off road guys (Caselli, Norman, et all).
Check out Caselli's helmet cam from last weekend. Friggin' scary! http://vurboffroad.c...nd-round-4/363/
An no, WORCS or any GP are not a fair comparison to the real off road/desert racing. Closer to MX.
You might be surprised by who lines up a few times this year at the MX Nationals. It could be the proof this arguement needs.
Check out Caselli's helmet cam from last weekend. Friggin' scary! http://vurboffroad.c...nd-round-4/363/
An no, WORCS or any GP are not a fair comparison to the real off road/desert racing. Closer to MX.
You might be surprised by who lines up a few times this year at the MX Nationals. It could be the proof this arguement needs.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:56 AM
This is one of the most idiotic threads in the pro forum... 
kinda like comparing a distance runner to a world class sprinter and talking about which would win the shot put! Makes no sense... apples and oranges.
kinda like comparing a distance runner to a world class sprinter and talking about which would win the shot put! Makes no sense... apples and oranges.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:18 AM
BDubb106, on 28 April 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:
This is one of the most idiotic threads in the pro forum... kinda like comparing a distance runner to a world class sprinter and talking about which would win the shot put! Makes no sense... apples, and oranges and bannanas.
kinda like comparing a distance runner to a world class sprinter and talking about which would win the shot put! Makes no sense... apples, The shot put would add a third event. Even a caveman couldn't have come up with such a brainless thread.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:35 AM
I remember Caselli doing the endurocross race at X-games last year and got crushed by Taddy Blazusiak. Even though he is good he is nowhere near the top of somebody else's race. Dumb thread
Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:55 AM
twinshocker, on 28 April 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:
Oh come on not the same discussion over and over again !!!
its like in athletics compare a sprinter witrh a long distance runner, both disciplines are completely different and both can be great athletes !
its like in athletics compare a sprinter witrh a long distance runner, both disciplines are completely different and both can be great athletes !
It's kind of like this
Or this
Edited by meyermetal, 28 April 2012 - 08:56 AM.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:58 AM
In defense of the OP, there is some interest out there about how guys from different series and disciplines would cross over.
Most of the time, you will see the off road guys doing a lot of training at a track. Of those that have crossed over, I can only think of Ty Davis and Ricky Dietrich having much "success", as judged by the public. Caselli even said he did almost no prep for X Games, his focus is ISDE, and he was on a plane after X Games to head to Finland.
Most of the time, you will see the off road guys doing a lot of training at a track. Of those that have crossed over, I can only think of Ty Davis and Ricky Dietrich having much "success", as judged by the public. Caselli even said he did almost no prep for X Games, his focus is ISDE, and he was on a plane after X Games to head to Finland.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:58 AM
Bingold, on 28 April 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:
I remember Caselli doing the endurocross race at X-games last year and got crushed by Taddy Blazusiak. Even though he is good he is nowhere near the top of somebody else's race. Dumb thread
Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:26 AM
Is caselli going to triple out of a corner? Would he if he could make supercross bucks? probably, but he would have to win as well.
Calling these guys flat billers is not going to be an insult. There are many badasses in dirtbiking. You got a chip on your shoulder.
Calling these guys flat billers is not going to be an insult. There are many badasses in dirtbiking. You got a chip on your shoulder.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:28 AM
portlandcsc, on 28 April 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:
Thank you flat bill crowd for all the abuse.. My job is done here.
Speculation is fine and you did raise an interesting point, but the regulars in the pro racing forum take it VERY seriously. This might have fared better in the General Discussion thread.
Edit: And flat-bills are legit hahaha
Edited by Bingold, 28 April 2012 - 09:31 AM.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:20 AM
Might as well be wandering how well a top fuel dragster would do at the Daytona 500, or a NASCAR at Gator Nationals.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:45 AM
Well having ridden both desert and motocross, I have always thought that sx/mx takes more skill to ride. I also think that sx/mx riders have the fastest reflexes and they do train with alot of intensity and duration. If the top mx/sx riders were to all of a sudden start racing desert and worcs races they would dominate within no time. I think that riders like Dungey and Villopoto are in such good conditioning that they would have no problem racing desert races, jmho.
Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:16 PM
DesertCR, on 28 April 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:
Well having ridden both desert and motocross, I have always thought that sx/mx takes more skill to ride. I also think that sx/mx riders have the fastest reflexes and they do train with alot of intensity and duration. If the top mx/sx riders were to all of a sudden start racing desert and worcs races they would dominate within no time. I think that riders like Dungey and Villopoto are in such good conditioning that they would have no problem racing desert races, jmho.
im gonna go ahead and disagree on everything you just said .
Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:28 PM
krazyrider186, on 28 April 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:
im gonna go ahead and disagree on everything you just said .
A lot of moto guys have moved onto long and successful off road racing careers. If they have the skills they can ride any terrain
And that goes for the top off road guys. They just need to learn how to jump
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