I had posted before about this problem with my 05 and wanted to ask a new question.

When I do the valve timing, with the correct number of pins the timing marks were not exactly vertical and horizontal. If I lined up the timing mark, I could get the exhaust cam just right, but the intake would clearly be late.
Just to make sure, I changed my timing chain, and it greatly improved the alignment, but it is still not exact still. intake cam is still a bit late.
questions:
Are these things normally exact?
Is it a case manufacturing thing, or does this indicate some wear of the cam gears?


Thanks
Mike

did you change the chain and not the sliders it rides on?  i doubt you wore out the gear but stranger things have happened. The less arc the slider has further out ur timing is

you are sure you have 15 pins including the ones on the gear?

should not be a slider issue... It is not an issue of engine timing mark to exhaust marking...
Yes, I am at the correct number of pins. Before changing the chain, it was about 1/2 to 3/4 a link off. Afterwards I might describe it as 1/8 of a link...

You are checking at top dead center on the compression stroke? I just can't see how it could be that far off. What are you using for TDC? I don't use the marks on the crank, I stick a pencil in the spark plug hole and the marks are spot on.

I may not be communicating correctly... It is not an issue of TDC...
The point is, when the exhaust cam is lined up perfectly, the intake cam is a little late (one dot a little below the case and the other dot not exactly vertical. (with the correct number of pins between)  replacing the chain helped a lot, but I guess I was expecting it to be spot on.

I will take mine apart tomorrow and measure where it is at. My cam chain has 160 hours on it.

I know my last one did not have that much on it... and it was definitely stretched... (I have the one before that in my parts box, and it was just as stretched as the one I replaced)

With the exhaust dot lined up at the head surface, the intake dot is about 1/16" low.

Thank you so much. That is exactly what I am seeing after replacing the chain.