There you go again, thinking for everyone else.  I haven't been a participant in the Ass Class but I probably do something that you think that I shouldn't...come to think of it....isn't that why these trails are closed?

bobc1, on 08 April 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

NOPE!  Has nothing to do with it. If we were perfect angels they'd just take more.

msgtretired, on 07 April 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

  good one

I was commenting on Wheelie's further censor attempts.

It doesn't matter what you do or enjoy, someone will attempt to prevent you from doing it.

Edited by bobc1, 08 April 2012 - 08:54 AM.

bigbobsurf, on 06 April 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Respect is earned and provided due to one's age.

Dude, you post pictures of yourself drinking a female beverage and have even written appologies on this site for your drunken posts.  You're a boozer.  Go to rehab and buy another bike.  Get life back onto wheels.

I like you Bob, but I think many of your posts are friggin' rediculous and allude to a huge ego.  I once remember you telling me how you pull posts because they are like "stinky turds".  Seems your nose may be failing you these days.

Bill_P, on 07 April 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Ah ...., yeah, sure, if you think cats like that never surfaced milk boy are cool.  The SoCal kooks are pretty freaky.  ...and now you all got the Boobers too.

I know a cry for help when I hear it Mr. Wiley

You are not mad at me sir, you are tired of suppressing your inner-gay, and that frustration is boiling over...

It's okay - let it all go. Stop lying to yourself and accept the gay (and all the penises) into your life!

Take my hand, I will show you the way. Don't be scared, I am a gentle and generous lover!

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are....

Stupid thread drift.

On-topic link to USFS FAQ page:
http://www.fs.usda.g...prdb5362065.pdf

Ah, so it seems....the Forest Service fought for open use and the closure advocates pressed on the fine points. The judge has seen that they have legal maneuverabilty and has asked for the Forest Service to look into it.

On second read, this doesn't relay whether the judge is impartial or partial. It could be that he knows the room they have to work with and is heading it off or it could be he is pro-closed movement. **Or***he could be a true judge and is weighing the letter of the law and judicial precedent.

RabidDove_NorCal, on 10 April 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

OR he could be the judge we elected to do proper risk analysis and determine if the closure was needed at this time. The OHV use has gone on for decades, yet damage has yet to be determined. What would leaving it open during the study harm?  Seems to me it was a rush to judgement.

Edited by Slackkinhard, 10 April 2012 - 10:33 AM.

I had a meeting with the Forest Service this morning, on an unrelated topic, but we did talk about this a bit.  When we mentioned that we (the OHV community) have never come out of this sort of situation without sustaining at least some permanent closures, the FS representatives agreed that we were correct and see no reason to expect anything different this time.  These were people that I have worked with for quite some time, and I know of no anti-OHV or anti-access feelings on their part , just that they've been around long enough to recognize that things do usually work out that way (they aren't decision makers on this sort of thing).

They have already been hearing it big-time from the public, sounds like mostly from the 4x4 community, which is much larger, more organized, and often more forceful than the MC side of the OHV community.  What really worries me is that the FS will grease the squeaky wheel, mitigating the issues on the 4x4 trails, and sacrifice what little high country single-track we have left.  They did ask me to contact a couple of the rangers working on this so I could perhaps get some input into the process.  We will just have to see how this all works out over time.

By the way, the comment that "the Forest Service fought for open use" is way off.  If you had been around during the Travel Management process you would have seen that we lost BIG TIME, and that it was planned that way from the beginning.  We are talking here about the few crumbs they left us in the high country, which we kept simply because they felt the had to leave us some access up there.  Of course total denial of motorized access is all the anti-access folks will except, so they keep on working towards that goal through these BS lawsuits.

Edited by OldeDude, 10 April 2012 - 11:23 AM.

OldeDude, on 10 April 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

And now their taking even these crumbs away.  If this lawsuit holds in ElDorado then the precedent is set for the anti-access groups to close the rest of the forest one county at a time. . . .

Pretty damn sad. . .

OldeDude, on 10 April 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Well said Curt. Give me a call on my cell and maybe we can make some of this work.

Ed

silverlakerider, on 10 April 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

DITTO on above:  

sold my last dirt bike ramp and helmet today.  All my dirtbike stuff is now gone but some metric tools, the photos and memories.

Good luck with the fight against the greenies pukes.   You won't believe what they are doing to the construction industry.  They will never be happy till we live in a hole in the ground warmed by our our feces and drinking our own urine.   Even then some greenie guru will say we need to do better then drinking our urine, we need to not drink.

they all are insane and our country is going to the dogs because of these zealots

Edited by bigbobsurf, 10 April 2012 - 08:25 PM.

ok, I'm depressed...which means I'm building outlaw trail this weekend.  They need to learn when to stop...I turn off trail every time they piss me off

I haven't had time to read this whole thread, but here is what we need to do at this point.

It is going to be tough, but there still is a chance. We need about 25K earmarked for legal fees to fight this. This needs to be fought, as it could set a very bad precident. Some of these trails are 10 miles long with only a couple hundred feet of trail through a "meadow". As people have posted, this is simply another "trick" by the Anti OHV crowd to try to close trails.

We don't need any BRC chatter on this, the money goes directly into the legal fund which C.E.R.A. uses to continue to fight this fight. You can also donate directly to C.E.R.A., but don't get the tax-deductible contribution http://cera.org/Contact/Donate/, just make sure you put "Eldorado Legal Fund" in the Paypal notes

Donate here:
https://www.sharetra...n-or-contribute

Select
"Yes! I want to make a tax-deductible contribution"

Select the drop down list for the "Contribution Instructions"

In the box put "Eldorado Legal Fund"

If your company does a company match, please use that! Cisco, EA and quite a few other large companies will match your contribution to a non profit.

DON'T JUST READ THIS, DO IT, we need everyone to chip in. At a minimum 500 riders at 50.00 each!

Edited by mweitz, 11 April 2012 - 05:40 AM.

mweitz: I'm a little confused by your post since you included links to both CERA and BRC donation pages. Would you please clarify?

Edited by travisfeist, 11 April 2012 - 08:00 AM.