Hello mates

My stator broke down and it's being rewound by me atm.
Anyhow, i wanna get out and ride asap and really don't want to stress the process making unnecessary mistakes.

So i headed for eBay and found this:
http://www.ebay.de/i...c#ht_995wt_1163
Its in Europe so i don't need to pay any tax for importing, and its really cheap.

But does it fit? For what i know the XL600R has the same engine as the XR, and the stators seem to fit, not identical but close enough.

What do you say thumpers?

Edited by Trubbis, 27 March 2012 - 10:45 AM.

Which Stator on that page are you wanting to buy???,,link to the one.

Which one matches the correct amount of pole windings of your old Stator??..

Any of those in the first link should work..The 9 Euro 50 one I wouldn't even consider without at least a picture.,,Scrap copper from it's probably worth more than that..

That one that says XL350 to XR600 I'd be sceptical on because I've never looked at an XL350 Stator to know whether one really does fit both models.

Regarding XL600 Stators the only ones you do not want to buy for an XR600 or XL600 is one that says XL600-V, Transalp,.Totally different beast which would probably work in the 650L but not in the stock Euro XR/XL..Transalps are different.

Edited by Horri, 27 March 2012 - 11:02 AM.

Whoops, wrong link i think.

I'll change right now.

This is what i meant: http://www.ebay.de/i...c#ht_995wt_1163

EDIT: OR this one http://www.ebay.de/i...6#ht_500wt_1413

EDIT2: And of course i mean that i think the xL600r has the same engine as the xR600r

Edited by Trubbis, 27 March 2012 - 10:47 AM.

Personally with a Stator I'd be careful,,You don't want to buy someone elses problems.

First one in your second posts link looks normal enough if not well used,,second one ,,I dunno,,seems to be missing an ignition pole winding to me though it looks in better overall condition.,(Your gamble that one)


http://tinyurl.com/c2z2hwn

G49,,,Cancel that,,Not sure if it's correct.,,Verified incorrect,,that's for the Dominator

G410,,out of stock

G410 is what you want..

Edited by Horri, 27 March 2012 - 11:36 AM.

Horri, on 27 March 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Yes, i know but it's a chance im willing to take.

I think so too, but my stator im currently rewinding also only have one ignition pole winding. I think all xr600r stators do.

This is what my stator looks like:
http://imgur.com/a/ZGodN

The problem was that it leaked oil into the igition pole winding and shorted out possibly. Only got ~50 volt when it ran, and almost impossible to start. It should produce around 95 volts right?
And if only the stator on ebay produces around 90 volts i think it would do just fine, don't you think?

EDIT: I know its black and probably overheated, but i've never seen a off road bike without battery like mine, it lights up my headlight fully just by kicking

EDIT2: The purpose with this thread is that i don't want to pay 100£+ for a stator when i only want something to use meanwhile i rewind my current stator. But maybe i should stop listening to my cheap side and go for broke

Edited by Trubbis, 27 March 2012 - 11:44 AM.

I'm not a Stator electrical guru..there's a few around that should pop in to advise you on testing your current Stator..They've even got me looking at portable handheld oscilliscopes..Oil gets on Stators,,just the way it is..that fibreglass doesn't really keep it out.,,a lot of Stators don't even use it so I'm not sure how yours can have shorted out due to oil..

All Euro and South Pacific Stators will light the light by just kicking if you happen to have the switch on.,

Edited by Horri, 27 March 2012 - 11:52 AM.

Horri, on 27 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Heh, it's already stripped from wire and stuff. The guy helping me rewinding it said something about water or particles in the oil, and that if you would use oil to cool a stator (not on a xr necessarily) ATF oil is what you want.

http://www.ebay.de/i...1#ht_908wt_1163 I think this is a better option than that G410, it's new and cheaper.

All I can say is the one linked to in the above post should work..I have no idea what your friend is talking about with using ATF to cool the Stator,, You use normal oil in the Gearbox/Engine of an XL/XR,,not ATF.

Edited by Horri, 27 March 2012 - 12:05 PM.

Horri, on 27 March 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

You missed the "(not on a xr necessarily)" part didn't you, he was talking about stators in general and their cooling.

Yep, and also in stock.
I think i'll get that one unless anyone has told me otherwise by this time tomorrow.


Thanks for your help Horri, even though i'm a bit confusing

I still have my rewound 88 stator as a spare...
what fails eventually is the epoxy used by whoever rewinds it,..

like you my ignition pole failed...just like yours, the oem  epoxy failed and oil leaked in and shorted.

after rewinding my stock stator, twice, I finally decided to get a ricky stator...

200 bucks and you are ready to go, plus you have 2 options for lighting.

anyways

you need anywhere around 45 volts or so to get spark..

I had just like you around 50-60volts when kicking as fast as I could and measuring...

this isnt accurate of course,...unless you kick and have someone else measure...

cheers

P.S.IF it where me again, and being overseas and all, I would not buy a used spare...but if you do, by all means get the newest one possible...a 2000 year xr600 stator...the less use the better...

is that xl600r stator new?

why spend 130 euros on that?

get a new one...

eletrosport, ricky stator, baja designs rewind(you send your core to get rewound)

I have the same issue buying overseas and paying duties and customs and all but I would not buy a used stator for 129 euros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

elsalvadorklr, on 27 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

I somewhat have come to a decision, i buy a brand new one, fix the old one and sell it to get some sort of refund on the new one.

And nooo, it's new! it says "neu" (new in german) and looks brand new to me.
http://www.ebay.de/i...1#ht_908wt_1163

I wouldn't either, but choosing between a used for about 900 sek (yes i live in sweden) and this brand new one for 1350 sek is now is pretty obvious to me. i'm getting a new one.

Remember that partially shorted windings(like those in the above photo) may still power your light..
but will also provide electric braking for your bike..even when your lights are turned off.
Your bike might go faster with a new Stator

come again?

youve intrigued me now!

again, he has a shorted ingintion pole on a single ignition pole 90 stator...

just like mine his lighting poles are fine...

I would like to know what you mean by your last post?

Im familiar with electric motors in rc cars and stuff...and all the brushless and brushed motor options....

I dont know what you mean but I am intrigued...

are you saying a shotred out pole will create resistance? enough to slow down the flywheel and crank wieghts?

op..good decision btw...

go new...

elsalvadorklr, on 27 March 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Thanks.

Always nice with new stuff.

elsalvadorklr, on 27 March 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

I am saying that shorted turns will cause energy to be absorbed by the winding ..this energy comes from the flywheel
There may still be enough left to run the lighting and less work for any shunt regulation(due to heat) .
The photo of the stator shows blackened and overheated windings.possibly shorted...if that happened to a car alternator you would have a severely squeaking fan belt... and some unwanted breaking effort

Edited by rogervize, 28 March 2012 - 12:17 AM.

Trubbis, across the border from you!

First things I bought for my XR was a Rickystator, new Honda coil, long orange plug cap and a new spark plug.
When it comes to electrics i found that playing around with old stuff just doesn't work.

As for coils, they do go off. They can breakup inside due to vibrations. When I races 125GP bikes, we would replace the coil every 2000Km's just to be on the safe side.

thanks for the info roger! makes sense...

I have pics of my "burned" stator too...never thought that one shorted or failing pole would cause enough "engine braking" to be noticeable but it makes sense

thanks again!

No worries Christian...I have found your posts to be very interesting
And...I am really only speculating on all this but I like to stir up a discussion.
Also I am still keen to try my 'cut-down'  stator..

The idea is to use a rechargeable battery if I ever decide to add lights.
I am not happy about having all those stator poles when I only need a spark.
Probably won't make a lot of difference but it satisfies my need to tinker

Edited by rogervize, 29 March 2012 - 12:42 AM.