Finally joined the exotic club, 2011 TM 250MX


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  • thebleakness

Posted 19 March 2012 - 03:45 PM

#1

My first new bike (and first TM). It's amazing, put 2 hours on it the other day and it's an absolute rocket. I can't wait to ride it some more. :thumbsup: Enjoy!

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Fastway steering stabilizer
Works Connection radiator braces
acerbis handguards and chain guide

Thanks to Jubal Brown with Sortova Racing Services, he set me up with some great stuff. This bike is amazing!

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  • john01

Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:42 PM

#2

Congrats!  I got me one of those and ended up giving it to my son.  Way to much bike for me LOL.    He still trying to get the suspension sorted on his.  He ended up sending the head and carb to RB and it's way better now and pump gas friendly.  He has since added a 10oz FWW with helps for the woods.  Is your suspension still stock?

  • thebleakness

Posted 19 March 2012 - 07:44 PM

#3

Suspension is still stock right now, I do alot of mx and offroad so I think I'll play with it as is and see where I can get it. Initial impressions where very good though, we rode a very rough sand track and it soaked up everything with ease.

How did the power change with the head and carb mods?

  • john01

Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:14 PM

#4

The bike has more low, a lot more midrange with the top about the same.  The pull in the mid is awesome.  Ron supplied a needle with his carb mod and since we installed the carb and head at the same time I'm not sure which mod did exactly what but the combo works.

  • thebleakness

Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:51 PM

#5

I'll have to contact him about those things, maybe do 1 at a time and see how it works. The power is already awesome but for some of the tighter woods stuff abit more bottom would be nice.

  • happy seal

Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:39 PM

#6

Congrats,  nice looking bike for sure, ( except the handguards). I like the guy who gives a different bike a shake!

  • hothands

Posted 21 March 2012 - 08:25 PM

#7

Beautiful bike, congrats.

  • thebleakness

Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:06 PM

#8

happy seal, on 20 March 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Congrats,  nice looking bike for sure, ( except the handguards). I like the guy who gives a different bike a shake!
:thumbsup: It's funny how much I've heard about those handguards. Those things crack me up, they are just so obvious and makes everyone look.

I rode some trails today and all I have to say is... WOW. This thing is just a speed demon. The track we rode was very rocky and very very very rough, the rear worked amazing but the front I think could be alittle softer, or just needs more tweaking (likely the latter). This thing sounds mean, it is the best sounding 2stroke I've ever heard and it commands respect for sure. I am definitely faster on this than any other bike I've ever ridden but I will need to step up my workouts to be able to ride this hard for a full race. It surprised me more than once... or a dozen times.

One thing I was having a problem with is how stiff the clutch pull is. Comparing hydros between my friends KTM and this TM is night and day. Will the clutch springs break-in and lighten up? Anything else that can be done?

  • john01

Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:34 PM

#9

My son's hasn't and neither did the front end. He just ordered the Ohlins TTX for the front.  We checked the static sag and the stock front spings are to light for his 175 lbs.  Have you checked yours?

  • T4-Fast_Guy

Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:51 AM

#10

thebleakness, on 19 March 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

My first new bike (and first TM). It's amazing, put 2 hours on it the other day and it's an absolute rocket. I can't wait to ride it some more. :thumbsup: Enjoy!

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Fastway steering stabilizer
Works Connection radiator braces
acerbis handguards and chain guide

Thanks to Jubal Brown with Sortova Racing Services, he set me up with some great stuff. This bike is amazing!

Just noticed the other bikes in the background. Where did you find a big tank for the TM and which Works Connection rad braces fit? KTM? Also, I spoke with the fastway guys at the Indy trade show and they were developing a damper mount. Do you know what mount is on the bike you have? Would be super helpful if you have the info for your bike!

  • thebleakness

Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:33 AM

#11

T4-Fast_Guy, on 26 March 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Just noticed the other bikes in the background. Where did you find a big tank for the TM and which Works Connection rad braces fit? KTM? Also, I spoke with the fastway guys at the Indy trade show and they were developing a damper mount. Do you know what mount is on the bike you have? Would be super helpful if you have the info for your bike!
Contact Jubal Brown at sortovaracingservices.com. He's been putting in alot of time and effort into working with other aftermarket companies for the TMs. The other bikes in the background are either his personal bikes or new bikes for sale. I wish they were all mine! :thumbsup:

As for the parts, the tank in the background is a Safari tank. The radiator braces are current prototypes (they need alittle more work) and the stabilizer is a mount for the TMs. It's not quite a bolt on unit (some filing on the steering head) but it fits and definitely does it's job.

  • T4-Fast_Guy

Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:52 PM

#12

thebleakness, on 26 March 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

Contact Jubal Brown at sortovaracingservices.com. He's been putting in alot of time and effort into working with other aftermarket companies for the TMs. The other bikes in the background are either his personal bikes or new bikes for sale. I wish they were all mine! :thumbsup:

As for the parts, the tank in the background is a Safari tank. The radiator braces are current prototypes (they need alittle more work) and the stabilizer is a mount for the TMs. It's not quite a bolt on unit (some filing on the steering head) but it fits and definitely does it's job.

Thanks dude. I checked his website, I guess he is still building it. I will call him though. I am wondering if the damper mount is a Honda adopted to fit. I know that the for the Scotts, the Honda is the closest.

Bikes are sick though huh? I love mine. I'm not even going to valve the suspension. Keep an eye on the fork seals as they are prone to blowing easy. I already went through a set on my bike. I spoke with Eraldo Ferracci about it and he said that when he used them for the works Husky's they were suspect. Also Pete at TM verified it! As to the clutch pull....sorry I got nothing yet. I'm going to contact EFM and maybe do an auto clutch.

  • john01

Posted 27 March 2012 - 02:49 PM

#13

Keep us posted on what EFM say's if you don't mind.  My son is still looking into getting his to be a little easier to pull in.  He heard or read the 06 KTM Brembo master cylinder ratio is better and may be an option for the stiff clutch.  I don't think he helped his by installing aftermarket leavers LOL.  Thanks for sharing the TM info.

Edited by john01, 27 March 2012 - 02:50 PM.


  • T4-Fast_Guy

Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:46 PM

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john01, on 27 March 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

Keep us posted on what EFM say's if you don't mind.  My son is still looking into getting his to be a little easier to pull in.  He heard or read the 06 KTM Brembo master cylinder ratio is better and may be an option for the stiff clutch.  I don't think he helped his by installing aftermarket leavers LOL.  Thanks for sharing the TM info.

Yea John, I work for Sunline so I put their levers on my bike hoping for a better pull but its really no better. The only advantage is it changed the engagement point to almost all the way out. That allows me to run the lever in a little and only have to pull it in about an inch to get it to engage. I don't notice the pull on the moto track, but I'm sure in the woods in a 2hr race it will get tiring.

Here is my email to EFM and their reply.
Hey Guys, I recently purchased a new 2011 TM 300EN and I am looking to add an auto clutch to it. Is it possible to make this this happen? what do you need in terms of parts to replicate or produce a clutch for these bikes. All the 2Ts use the same clutch as do the all the 4Ts. Please advise as I am not as familiar with your product. I have had Rekluse products on a KX250F with positive results in both off road and moto and would like to continue those positives on my TM.


Marc:

We modify the clutch you send us, 625.00 plus shipping, dont matter what kind the price is the same.

Thank you for the interest in EFM Auto Clutch.

Garry Buzzelli
EFM Auto Clutch Inc.
3101 State Route 14
Rootstown, Oh   44272
330 947 1700
330 947 1708 FAX

www.efmautoclutch.com

  • thebleakness

Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:53 PM

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T4-Fast_Guy, on 26 March 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

Thanks dude. I checked his website, I guess he is still building it. I will call him though. I am wondering if the damper mount is a Honda adopted to fit. I know that the for the Scotts, the Honda is the closest.

Bikes are sick though huh? I love mine. I'm not even going to valve the suspension. Keep an eye on the fork seals as they are prone to blowing easy. I already went through a set on my bike. I spoke with Eraldo Ferracci about it and he said that when he used them for the works Husky's they were suspect. Also Pete at TM verified it! As to the clutch pull....sorry I got nothing yet. I'm going to contact EFM and maybe do an auto clutch.
He just recently started selling TMs and working with the aftermarket companies for TM parts. Last I heard Rekluse was going to get one of his bikes to build an autoclutch for the TMs. I'll keep you guys updated on that. :thumbsup:

A friend of mind is going to let me borrow a MidwestMountain lever to try it. He said it helped tons on his KTM. He also said that one particular year Magura clutch had a larger piston and made the clutch action like butter. I'll look into that after the lever.

I checked the rear static sag (with 105mm sag) and it was just about spot on and I weight about 165lb but I haven't checked the front sag yet. I'll look into that when I get the chance. Did you guys try any valving on the stock marzocchis?

Edited by thebleakness, 27 March 2012 - 05:54 PM.


  • john01

Posted 27 March 2012 - 07:21 PM

#16

My son sent his out for valving and it's better but still pretty harsh on the sharp hard stuff.  He ordered the Ohlins TTX for the front last week and they should be here in a couple more weeks.  The front springs should have been replaced (to light)  according to second suspension shop.   On the clutch,  due to the bikes crazy power the pull isn't a problem on the MX track for him either as the clutch isn't needed very much there.  Thanks for the EFM feedback I'll let him know that.  He's going to Hatfield and McCoy's in a couple of months and he knows it will get a workout there.  My 2010 GG 300 has the Magura and that clutch is BUTTER.  We almost swapped it yesterday just to see how it would act on the TM.

  • T4-Fast_Guy

Posted 28 March 2012 - 03:28 AM

#17

Man that would be cool if Rekluse did a clutch. I really like their stuff! I am reluctant to get the suspension valved on my EN. I think the valving is really close. I am going to raise the oil level for better bottoming resistance but I think the valving is good. My only complaint is on rear wheel landings when the front slaps down, it seems a little harsh. Other than that it seems really good to me. I had heard the MX suspension was a little on the harsh side out of the box. I'm 200lbs and the stock springs seem good. I checked the rear sag when the bike was new and it was spot on out of the box. I'll check it again this weekend so see.

If anyone is interested, Fast By Ferracci in Willow Grove, PA has 3 sets of brand new works Zokes. They were for the works Husqvarnas that Steve Lamson used to ride when Eraldo did the factory Husky program. They are exactly the same system that is in our forks. They have some trick stuff in them and DLC coating on the lowers. They have a Marzocchi/Ohlins factory trained tech that still works there (he works on my Ducatis too) and can valve them for you if you like. They should be a bolt on deal. I think he is asking $1500 for a $4000 set of forks!

John, if you swap the clutch masters let me know how it works out.

Edited by T4-Fast_Guy, 28 March 2012 - 03:35 AM.


  • john01

Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:49 AM

#18

If we swap them I'll  let you know.  I just don't want to have any trouble bleeding them if I do LOL.  Good info you have provided; thanks.  Man I'd like to have a set of those FBF forks on my 08 Husky CR WB 165!

  • thebleakness

Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:51 PM

#19

I talked with Jubal again today and he is still working with Rekluse on TM autoclutches. Hopefully they will be available here in the coming months. :thumbsup:

The Ohlins shock is awesome, the rear end feels amazing so far on anything I've thrown at it.The front however is not the same case. They are quite stiff but with compression clickers all the way out they feel good. The initial dampening seems too stiff though, it likes to deflect off of small trail rocks alot. This is not such a huge problem in straights with the stabilizer but in corners when the front end jumps out on it's own.

John, did you ever try the magura switch?

  • T4-Fast_Guy

Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:06 PM

#20

thebleakness, on 02 April 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

I talked with Jubal again today and he is still working with Rekluse on TM autoclutches. Hopefully they will be available here in the coming months. :thumbsup:

The Ohlins shock is awesome, the rear end feels amazing so far on anything I've thrown at it.The front however is not the same case. They are quite stiff but with compression clickers all the way out they feel good. The initial dampening seems too stiff though, it likes to deflect off of small trail rocks alot. This is not such a huge problem in straights with the stabilizer but in corners when the front end jumps out on it's own.

John, did you ever try the magura switch?

It takes a good 6 hours for the forks to break in so depending on how much time you have on them I wouldn't be too discouraged just yet. Though I will say the valving on the EN is much more versatile that that of the MX. The MX fork is very....well...MX centric. If that makes any sense to you? I raised the oil level on my EN fork 20cc in each leg and it definitely helped.




 
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