I've never owned any bikes but Honda two strokes before, and I'm trying to decide whether or not to go orange! I found a pretty decent deal on an 07 250 sx. I'm getting some negative feedback as far as price of parts. Supposedly, everything is at least twice as much as Jap bikes, is this true?? Just looking to get some feedback before I go through with this deal. Also, how does no linkage change the handling?
Are KTMs really more expensive than Jap bikes?
Started by
VE290
, Feb 28 2012 07:25 PM
109 replies to this topic
Posted 28 February 2012 - 07:32 PM
look up prices between the two bikes, there is probably no way that parts are twice the price, if anything maybe 10-20 bucks. But look up top ends, spark plugs, plastics and match them up with a 07 yz250 and see if the price is different
Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:14 PM
Just4fun Racing, on 28 February 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:
I've never owned any bikes but Honda two strokes before, and I'm trying to decide whether or not to go orange! I found a pretty decent deal on an 07 250 sx. I'm getting some negative feedback as far as price of parts. Supposedly, everything is at least twice as much as Jap bikes, is this true?? Just looking to get some feedback before I go through with this deal. Also, how does no linkage change the handling?
If you're considering an 07 250 2T, just remember that the YZ250 is the "catbird" of all 250 2T until 2010....
The 07 250SX is actually criticised by MXA if you browse into the review, both the engine and suspension, citing KTM that time can't figure out well what they want to do with the bike. KTM did minor porting changes that time on the older 250SX engine plugged into the 07 250SX . In 2008, the 250SX received the new engine.
Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:26 AM
&%$#@!ing right they are
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:37 AM
younggunz, on 29 February 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:
&%$#@!ing right they are
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:30 PM
Well i figured no matter what I get, it's going to be expensive as hell anyway! So i went ahead and bought it =] Thanks for the feedback, you'll probably be seeing a lot more of me on here trying to figure out this orange beast!
Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:35 PM
basically no difference in price, all the wear items are common, my ktm has been cheaper because it does not require top ends as often as our cr250 does
Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:33 PM
younggunz, on 29 February 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:
&%$#@!ing right they are and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races. buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
Really??? Add a couple facts to back up this opinion. The KTM’s I have owned have higher quality components than the Jap bikes I have owned. All 3 KTM’s I have owned have been extremely reliable. The Jap bikes I have owned have also been reliable. I properly maintain all my bikes because being stranded 25 miles from the nearest road is not appealing. My experience is that KTM parts are slightly more expensive but top ends and other major components tend to wear longer.
CoKTM
Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:32 PM
younggunz, on 29 February 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:
&%$#@!ing right they are
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
+2 bajillion
Bring them in tropical countries (just see the hard trails in Hawaii as an example), where the jungle canopy is thick, and the trail is hard and technical, where they can't have as much as ventilation, these orange bikes puke bigtime GUARANTEED!
Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:57 PM
joshua_inigo, on 29 February 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:
+2 bajillion
Bring them in tropical countries (just see the hard trails in Hawaii as an example), where the jungle canopy is thick, and the trail is hard and technical, where they can't have as much as ventilation, these orange bikes puke bigtime GUARANTEED!
Bring them in tropical countries (just see the hard trails in Hawaii as an example), where the jungle canopy is thick, and the trail is hard and technical, where they can't have as much as ventilation, these orange bikes puke bigtime GUARANTEED!
Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:09 AM
hothands, on 29 February 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:
Even if your bias is correct, I seriously doubt this guy or about 99% of TT is going to be riding in the tropics or Hawaii anytime soon....
My bias is correct, not only always, but all-the-time, as it's not based on selfish personal anecdote did this, did that, done that, been there thing....
The thing here is a lot of orange kids tend to tell stories about how superior their bike is, where they tend to be too self-anecdoting children. And in time you present them with evidence(s) that their bikes are not so, they would hate you bigtime hehe
See 3:00 min to 3:27 min from this typical tropical vid taken in Hawaii.... whilst the KTM stalls and pukes, all the non-high profile Jap bikes move forward
i still have vids here of KTM's puking, stalling, and with another one with a burnt clutch where the owner is repairing it at the trail site hehe....
By the way, importing Euro-made bikes (especially KTM) to my home country is far costlier than importing Japanese-made bikes whether they come from United States, Europe or Japan. Major issue here in my place across the Pacific amongst dirtbike importers is the name KTM demands more cost hehe
.... And all the motorbike companies here don't sell motocross bikes, they only sell scooters and street bikes. I buy my bikes from California and ship them all the way across the Pacific where the Japanese bikes cost way lesser.To give you an idea how much the difference is ---- i got my 2008 YZ250 in November 2007 shipped all the way from SoCal for US$7,700 equivalent (or PhP385,000) while for its equivalent 250SX that time another importer/dealer (he actually imports only KTM's by the way) wanted US$8,500 (or PhP425,000) shipped also from the US. A riding buddy of mine also bought a 2008 CRF450 shipped by the same supplier in the amount of US$8,200 (PhP410,000).
In 2008, apart from the fact that the 250SX is inferior compared to the YZ250, it even cost quite hefty for a lesser performance.... And like i said in tight trails where pacing is more like a paddle foot p-u-s-s-y riding, in hot and very humid climate, they are prone to puking bigtime. Also just a bit of an info, humid air tends to make the ambient temperature of the surroundings even hotter than you think as the heat is not effectively taken away as effectively as a non-humid air, which the latter, you guys get to enjoy in most places in the US mainland. Thus, you guys get the natural tendency to think that those orange bikes have fair play of not puking up in the States.... BUT not elsewhere in the world, my friend
Edited by joshua_inigo, 01 March 2012 - 03:23 AM.
Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:07 AM
younggunz, on 29 February 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:
&%$#@!ing right they are
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
and they also suck, and fall apart. they are made to race, and usually racers do ALOT of maintenece on their bikes between races.
buy a cr or a yz, you will regret buying that austrian crap.
Edited by canuckwr250, 01 March 2012 - 04:07 AM.
Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:02 AM
Before we all fight which is the better bike, this rider's ever-trusty YZ250 2-stroke holeshoted, took the win, and humbled the other guy in his superior 250SX 
This is another case in a debate wherein personal story-telling on behalf of his beloved bike means nothing when pitted against a tangible result....
This is another case in a debate wherein personal story-telling on behalf of his beloved bike means nothing when pitted against a tangible result....
Rotaholic, on 29 February 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:
Not sure if you guys are interested but this video has Ben Townley giving everyone back home a lesson on how to ride, good field with Cody Cooper and Josh Coppins
Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:26 AM
Wow...Dude ^ really hates KTM's. I've owned Jap bikes (mostly YZ's) for years, as well as my best riding buddy (3 YZ250's in a row). I just got a GasGas and he just got a KTM. WOW...neither of us are touching a Jap bike again. The Euro bikes just plain out are better engineered. Everything is so much more durable and while parts might be 20% more expensive they wear twice as long. Plus the performance is amazing. Neither of us have yet to have a major issue. I say go for the KTM I know I'll never be on a YZ again after riding and working on superior bikes like the GasGas or KTM.
O just another note. 2012 YZ250(45hp - 6 year old design) - $7299 MSRP, KTM 250SX - $6799 MSRP(50hp - updated every year). Only a fool would buy a YZ over a KTM
http://motocrossacti...-2011-7969.aspx
O just another note. 2012 YZ250(45hp - 6 year old design) - $7299 MSRP, KTM 250SX - $6799 MSRP(50hp - updated every year). Only a fool would buy a YZ over a KTM
http://motocrossacti...-2011-7969.aspx
Edited by CDBiker220, 01 March 2012 - 06:31 AM.
Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:40 AM
CDBiker220, on 01 March 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:
Wow...Dude ^ really hates KTM's. I've owned Jap bikes (mostly YZ's) for years, as well as my best riding buddy (3 YZ250's in a row). I just got a GasGas and he just got a KTM. WOW...neither of us are touching a Jap bike again. The Euro bikes just plain out are better engineered. Everything is so much more durable and while parts might be 20% more expensive they wear twice as long. Plus the performance is amazing. Neither of us have yet to have a major issue. I say go for the KTM I know I'll never be on a YZ again after riding and working on superior bikes like the GasGas or KTM.
O just another note. 2012 YZ250(45hp - 6 year old design) - $7299 MSRP, KTM 250SX - $6799 MSRP(50hp - updated every year). Only a fool would buy a YZ over a KTM
http://motocrossacti...-2011-7969.aspx
O just another note. 2012 YZ250(45hp - 6 year old design) - $7299 MSRP, KTM 250SX - $6799 MSRP(50hp - updated every year). Only a fool would buy a YZ over a KTM
http://motocrossacti...-2011-7969.aspx
NOW, this is really classic story-telling and it gets exciting from hereon haha!
What Spanish-made Gas Gas you mean are superior? You have got to be joking mate
Least you know i worked in northern Spain, at the very heart of the mountainous province of Asturias, from 2008 to 2010 and have ridden Euro bikes almost every weekend. A 2008 Gas Gas 6-day enduro version was even one of our riding stable.... They are soft off-the-bottom for my taste compared to a Japanese 250 2T MX bike. Gas-Gas???? Jeeze!
Also, whilst you brag about that MXA's result on the 2011 YZ250 vs. 2011 250SX, where was KTM at the height of the Japanese giving all their brains out for the 2-stroke technology? No where to be found over the last 30 years haha. The 250SX is simply the most win-starved bike over the last 3 decades mind yah hehe.... It took the best of 6 years out of KTM to finally settle the score against the ever dormant YZ250. C'mon, the engine on the YZ250 is even a 1999 long-stroke design (66.4 mm x 72.00 mm, bore x stroke). That magic number was then photocopied by your beloved Euro bikes sir, for your information. Honda was the originator of that optimised combo. Don't just choose those only recent KTM-favouring MXA articles over the history of the entire MX age, especially if you know that the contender is dormant over the last 6 years in its 2-stroke R&D.... i also know how to do the same mate in behalf of the Japanese bikes....
Here sir, feast your eyes with the best over the last 30 years and see who was just learning now hehe
http://motocrossacti...S-DID-7707.aspx
Edited by joshua_inigo, 01 March 2012 - 07:01 AM.
Posted 01 March 2012 - 07:33 AM
He will keep doing this until he is banned again, he's been banned what six times?
I've owned and own a Yamaha, and a Ktm dual sport and a gasgas, the gasgas/Ktm are much better for ME and the riding here
They all have basically the same size radiators and clutches, all 2 strokes do
I've owned and own a Yamaha, and a Ktm dual sport and a gasgas, the gasgas/Ktm are much better for ME and the riding here
They all have basically the same size radiators and clutches, all 2 strokes do
Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:03 AM
Hmm...i dont really care what was better over the last 30 years. The last 30 years are over. Up until probably 4 years ago I'd take a YZ250 over a KTM 250SX. But now KTM has the better bike for less money. Thats just fact. I dont even own a KTM so im not really a fanboy of them or bragging about them, Honestly I like My GasGas better cuz it fits me better. But I gotta give respect where respect is due, and KTM earned it by keeping up with development. I dont care who copied who either, all I can is who has a better product at the current time. GasGas copied most of their engine design off the older CR and it worked out great....2 strokes arent all that complicated. If you ever tore into one you'd see how much better engineered the euro bikes are. from the linkage seals that last 3 times as long as the Jap bikes to the quick change air filters and so on. Everytime I tear something apart on my GasGas or watch my buddy work on his KTM we go "damn why didnt they do it like that on our YZ's....if i was buying a 5 year or older bike id consider a YZ but anything newer its just not even a question. All that said..heres my next bike...looks alot better than the dated YZ to me.
Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:46 AM
joshua_inigo, on 01 March 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:
My bias is correct, not only always, but all-the-time, as it's not based on selfish personal anecdote did this, did that, done that, been there thing....
The thing here is a lot of orange kids tend to tell stories about how superior their bike is, where they tend to be too self-anecdoting children. And in time you present them with evidence(s) that their bikes are not so, they would hate you bigtime hehe
See 3:00 min to 3:27 min from this typical tropical vid taken in Hawaii.... whilst the KTM stalls and pukes, all the non-high profile Jap bikes move forward
i still have vids here of KTM's puking, stalling, and with another one with a burnt clutch where the owner is repairing it at the trail site hehe....
By the way, importing Euro-made bikes (especially KTM) to my home country is far costlier than importing Japanese-made bikes whether they come from United States, Europe or Japan. Major issue here in my place across the Pacific amongst dirtbike importers is the name KTM demands more cost hehe .... And all the motorbike companies here don't sell motocross bikes, they only sell scooters and street bikes. I buy my bikes from California and ship them all the way across the Pacific where the Japanese bikes cost way lesser.
To give you an idea how much the difference is ---- i got my 2008 YZ250 in November 2007 shipped all the way from SoCal for US$7,700 equivalent (or PhP385,000) while for its equivalent 250SX that time another importer/dealer (he actually imports only KTM's by the way) wanted US$8,500 (or PhP425,000) shipped also from the US. A riding buddy of mine also bought a 2008 CRF450 shipped by the same supplier in the amount of US$8,200 (PhP410,000).
In 2008, apart from the fact that the 250SX is inferior compared to the YZ250, it even cost quite hefty for a lesser performance.... And like i said in tight trails where pacing is more like a paddle foot p-u-s-s-y riding, in hot and very humid climate, they are prone to puking bigtime. Also just a bit of an info, humid air tends to make the ambient temperature of the surroundings even hotter than you think as the heat is not effectively taken away as effectively as a non-humid air, which the latter, you guys get to enjoy in most places in the US mainland. Thus, you guys get the natural tendency to think that those orange bikes have fair play of not puking up in the States.... BUT not elsewhere in the world, my friend
The thing here is a lot of orange kids tend to tell stories about how superior their bike is, where they tend to be too self-anecdoting children. And in time you present them with evidence(s) that their bikes are not so, they would hate you bigtime hehe
See 3:00 min to 3:27 min from this typical tropical vid taken in Hawaii.... whilst the KTM stalls and pukes, all the non-high profile Jap bikes move forward
i still have vids here of KTM's puking, stalling, and with another one with a burnt clutch where the owner is repairing it at the trail site hehe....
By the way, importing Euro-made bikes (especially KTM) to my home country is far costlier than importing Japanese-made bikes whether they come from United States, Europe or Japan. Major issue here in my place across the Pacific amongst dirtbike importers is the name KTM demands more cost hehe
.... And all the motorbike companies here don't sell motocross bikes, they only sell scooters and street bikes. I buy my bikes from California and ship them all the way across the Pacific where the Japanese bikes cost way lesser.To give you an idea how much the difference is ---- i got my 2008 YZ250 in November 2007 shipped all the way from SoCal for US$7,700 equivalent (or PhP385,000) while for its equivalent 250SX that time another importer/dealer (he actually imports only KTM's by the way) wanted US$8,500 (or PhP425,000) shipped also from the US. A riding buddy of mine also bought a 2008 CRF450 shipped by the same supplier in the amount of US$8,200 (PhP410,000).
In 2008, apart from the fact that the 250SX is inferior compared to the YZ250, it even cost quite hefty for a lesser performance.... And like i said in tight trails where pacing is more like a paddle foot p-u-s-s-y riding, in hot and very humid climate, they are prone to puking bigtime. Also just a bit of an info, humid air tends to make the ambient temperature of the surroundings even hotter than you think as the heat is not effectively taken away as effectively as a non-humid air, which the latter, you guys get to enjoy in most places in the US mainland. Thus, you guys get the natural tendency to think that those orange bikes have fair play of not puking up in the States.... BUT not elsewhere in the world, my friend
So let me make sure I have this right... If I am riding hot jungle terrain I want a low powered air cooled bike with marginal suspension (preferably Japanese). This comment is based on your other posts. Since I ride high altitude technical single track and desert terrain at speed I think I will stick with faster, more modern bikes. The superior technology is more effective which makes me a faster rider in the terrain I ride, and enables me to tackle obstacles that I would have to carry other bikes over. The increased technology helps make my riding more enjoyable for me. I am not saying that you can't be fast on your air cooled, low powered, marshmellow in my terrain, Just saying you are a much, much better rider than I am if you are fast on that dinosaur. Enjoy your bike in the jungle, I am sure it is perfect, but it would be far from perfect in my world. I'll stick with my orange bike and continue to drink the purple Koolaid.
CoKTM
Edited by coktm, 01 March 2012 - 04:01 PM.
