1996 XR600R

Is the front frame drain plug the same as the engine oil drain plug?

Might not be much help, but my 1985 XR350R had the same drain plugs for the frame & case.

Pick up an OEM service manual , there worth every penny .

Oh and NO ! its not the same , the one in lower frame is for the resevoir and the other drains the crankcase .

Thanks for nthing scotty. You just wasted my time. I know what they do and how they work. I'm asking about their size and thread pitch.

<p><p>Dunno about the thread size and pitch,,What I do know is that frame filter one is as weak as buggery in the metal department where you put your socket or whatever you chose to use on it,,It's also invariably locked on there super tight so make sure you use a good quality and tight fitting socket on it or the thing will round off in no time,,I actually find a socket type spanner better to use on it than a socket and arm,,the spanner doesn't tend to flex around like a socket and arm do,,Less chance of a rounding off of the head..,If it does strip heat and vice grips usually shift it,,but no guarantees there..,,No doubt you already know that what with 2000 odd posts,,Can't help on the thread and pitch,,though I am going down the garage in a minute to check something carb related,,If those things you asked are easily accessible I'll reply later,,If I don't you'll know I couldn't get access to them easily,,ie they are jammed on spare frames and engine bits and a mission to remove,,

Your welcome for nothing Bud , maybe you should have asked for the pitch and thread . Duh !!

Yep,,Sort of like let he who has not sinned biff the first rock,,However getting back to the reality..

I'm unsure if these are the bolts you want the measurements of.

Larger ones from the engine,,

11.7mm outside thread diameter. Pitch 16

Other two are from two differnt oil frame drain holes but essentially the same,

9.7mm outside thread diameter,,21 pitch..

The mm readings as close as my digital calipers will get.

Plainly different sizes so there you go,,


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yup they are different...but you can double check yourself...I also believe the head is bigger on the engine plug...

hey I also might add, hope nobody gets offended but while doing lots of investigating and research for my rebuilds I cant tell you how many times when on google I find a thumpertalk thread that has a really cool(hopefully that answers my enigma) thread title...and it dead ends because of either some smart ass comment by the OP or by a responder that feels the question is beyond stupid and viceversa.

Its been my experience as a poster that if you give as much detail as possible in the title or first post that this helps all parties involved....

If you look at the title of this thread you can see why somebody might say really? who would ask such a vague question?

People react differently so lets just be nicer! jajajaa

cheers dudes, again horri with the goods...

christian

To use a line from Gumball Rally

"What is behind me is not important"

That's to do with all the palava I posted a couple of threads up about the bolts being weak in the head department,, Actually thought Mike was talking about the Frame Filter bolt and not the oil drain bolt..Mistakes in part ids and misinterpretation is super easy to do on internet forums.,

Didnt mean to come off harsh , but some peeps here dont have much knowledge with bikes and I didnt want to see him try and use a incorrect fastener for the job . I've seen a lot come on here after the mistake has been made, and then theres not much you can do, but open up your wallet . Also the comment for the service manual was a serious one , too many guys without them for there bikes . Short of having your personal mechanic they are your best resource for getting repairs done right and will answer most of your questions. Unfortunatly he only asked half of his question so my bad for wasting his time I guess ????. Lighten up Mikey , its gonna be alright .

thanks all for the advice and information on those bolts.

I was reading about how some say not to use an aluminum bolt in the frame (or was it the engine) because it'll strip. Are they meaning the head of the bolt...or am I missing something?

hey bud...

I beleive the issue is that some people buy magnetic drain plugs that are hollowed out, and they break at the head or something...

for the case plug.

The case plug also has an aluminum washer or copper depending on what gasket kit you get.

I would definitely not use anything other than steel on the frame oil plug, that sucker gets hot and tight, and many on here seem to strip the hell out of them or overtighten it.

cheers

Well........think about this man.......you take an alloy bolt,,,,which is already weaker than steel,,then the buggers drill a hole partway through for the magnet....taking more than 1/2 it`s strength again

Gotta be the dumbest thing i ever seen.. nd yup,if you torque to spec you`ll twist the head off almost guaranteed,,if i had a dollar for every person

that came on here asking how to remove the busted piece out of the engine or frame....i`d have a fist full of cash..

Stay away from them is my advise,,,you can tighten these down,carefully undertorquing them,and MAY never have a prob,but do you want the possible

grief


They are pretty though,,i got a free one on my dresser,been there for years


B

Talking magnets,,Have you checked the pulling power of the ones in Computer hard drives,,You need to disassemble the drive to get at them,,Get your fingers jammed between two of them and you'll know all about it,,The pulling power/strength of them is just incredible,,Near impossible to get them off a hunk of metal once they take hold,,

You Kiwis. I like you guys! You and the Aussies...good fighting men in the Armed Forces as well. Anyway back to bolts...

Went to oem lookup site and found these numbers for the various oil drain bolts.

Frame drain bolt:

• BOLT, FLANGE (6X12)

Engine drain bolt:

• rightside(smaller of the two?) of the two when kneeling looking at the leftside of the engine-BOLT, FLANGE (10X16)
  
• leftside (larger of the two?) of the two when kneeling looking at leftside of engine- BOLT, DRAIN (12X15)

In your post below you said you had 2 different oil frame drain bolts? Where exactly are your two? Or you must be saying you had 2 different bolts lying around and you measured them both?

Horri, on 31 January 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Yep,,Sorry Mike,,I've confused you,, Both those smaller ones are from the same place just off different bikes,,Frame down tube at the front of the bike just by the frames downtube oil filter,,Just different ends on them,,Ones from a XR350r ones from an XL600,,Both the same as your ones thread though,,Anyway away to the club to drink beer,,Hope someone answers my carb question by tomorrow,,Later,,

So I found my American thread pitch measurer....

The frame drain bolt: 10mm x 1.25 pitch x 16mm long.

The large engine drain bolt: 12mm x 1.5 pitch x 16 mm long.