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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:13 AM
+1 Yes... I've been using them for over 30 years now. Versitile and much safer than water bottles or other used containers. There are some design specifics that make them safer. They are seamless spun aluminum and are designed to take the pressure that can build up inside.
Most other containers have a cap that threads on to outside thread on the bottle. When pressure builds or you compres the bottle in a crash, the added pressure expands the cap and the threads can part. The cap can split too. On these bottles, the cap threads on to INSIDE threads so added pressure makes the connection even tighter and the cap is reinforced by the bottle itself.
If you ride with say a larger Camelbak pack, 2 of these 1-liter bottles fit nicely in the inside corner of the pack upright or in outside pockets like I use. They adjust for movements and never poke me through the pack. I like to add fuel from the bottles early in the ride to not only lighten the pack, but to get an estimate of my fuel consumption for the ride. My main tank on my bike holds only 3 liters that is good for 18 to 36 miles depending upon the type of ride. 2 extra liters is a good safety margin for most of my rides. I have never run out of gas though I have come very close and was very thankful I had carried 3 of those bottles on that ride. My buddy and I had to share that last bottle to get back to camp.
You'll use them even AFTER you get the larger bike for him.
Here is my typical pack and notice the red fuel bottles on each side:
Edited by 2PLY, 01 February 2012 - 06:17 AM.
Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:33 PM
You can also carry a length of tie-wire inside that vinyl hose for emergency repairs.
R.E.I. and other outdoor stores carry the fuel bottles. The best ones I've found are the ones by MSR... No... not "Malcom Smith Racing" ..
"Mountain Safety Research" They seem to be built stronger and you can buy replacement caps and gaskets.. Oh yes, the cap has a great rubber gasket for even better sealing.. but I don't like the new style Child-Proof caps.. I'm not sure if the old style caps are still available, but I've seen them in REI
Don't mess with anything smaller than the 30 oz model
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:36 AM
You Bet!! It's NO fun pushing your bike 5 or more miles back to camp on a mountain trail in the DARK! No engine? no headlight! LED headband lights are great but they don't provide enough light for a safe ride on any rough trail at much more then walking speeds.
My closest call came on a ride with a good friend that now works for the USFS in Cle Elum, WA. I loaned him my extra Gas Gas Trials 280 and gave him 2 liters of extra gas in 2 fuel bottles and I took 2... but just before leaving, I decided to carry one more bottle with me.
Our planned route was a lot longer and took much more time than we allowed for. Shortly after dark, my buddy had to switch to reserve. His bike had no head light so he was using an LED headband and we had to creep along at less than 10 MPH.
At the time he ran out, I had to switch to reserve. So now, it's dark, the last week in August and 10 hours into the ride. He's completely out of gas and my bike has about 6 ounces left AND we are still about 4 miles away from camp with a steep climb on a very varrow and tight trail. Time to share that last bottle that I almost left back at camp... He had the only LED headband light so when I run out of gas, it's ligths out for me!! Deep forest in the Teanaway area and no moon... WHEW!!! we made it with both engines still running..
Edited by 2PLY, 03 February 2012 - 10:39 AM.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:21 PM
I stopped and dumped what I could in the tank, aired out my shirt and went on. I thought that was the end of it until later when my skin peeled off of my back!!
It's been over 35 years now and my high quality aluminum bottles have never leaked.. However, I bought a cheap aluminum bottle that was very light weight and it did eventually develop a crack from flexing with pressure build-up but that was a saw gas can.. That was lesson #2 : When it comes to carrying gas, don't be cheap!! Some of my bottles are 35 years old now and still good.
Oh yes, and multiple 1-liter bottles are better than a 1 gallon container as the bottles will self adjust with movement in your pack and not poke you in the back.
Gas mounted to your bike affects the handling of the bike the higher up you place it and the gas gets a rough ride / shake up so anything but the best container is at risk from pressure and those darn unexpected crashes!
Edited by 2PLY, 08 February 2012 - 02:26 PM.
Posted 12 February 2012 - 08:44 AM
I have a small 500ml wide mouth plastic bottle (nagalene I believe) I hand marked with a sharpie which fits nicely in the water bottle holder on my fanny pack. I fill that with 2-stroke oil....and just mix at gas stops. I mark it by litre....that is how much oil I need per litre of gas....fill the bike, see how much gas you added, then add the right amount of oil and shake the bike vigorously. Worked fine for our longer rides.
This year, I'll be trying out a Giant Loop MoJave Saddle bag rig to pack the metai gas canisters on the bike, instead of on the back:
I think that will make for better balance and more comfort.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:26 PM
They have quite a disclaimer:
"Sweet Cheeks is not warranted for use on a moving vehicle.
Containers falling from motorcycle could cause severe injury or death.
Container must be approved for contents and properly secured."
But carrying gas in the 1 liter plastic bottles while sitting on them brings up the point I made earlier about pressure build up in a bottle with a cap that has outside threads.. Would make a good movie stunt to have one blow out and then catch fire..
Talk about excitement!!
Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:35 PM
Yep, I tried mounting 1 gallon to the front of my old XL350 Honda and then to my old TL250 Honda and both times, the extra weight up high and on the forks was like wrestling with a pig. Even though the tank I used was sold to carry gas with 4 adjustable fork clamps, it shook itself apart and the outside threaded cap leaked.. BOTH of them basically self-destructed in less than 2 months.. But maybe the newer ones are better,,, but even if bullet-proof, 1-1/2 gallons added to the front adds (gas = 6 pounds/gallon) 9 pounds plus the weight of the container.
And when removing ounces of weight from the front suspension greatly improves performance, imagine what adding 10 pounds can do for ya..
I think I tried about every method people have come up with and I finally had to admit that carrying a safe container in a back pack was the answer. It also helped to teach me to ride with a quiet upper body while my legs did the suspension work. And when you get that down, the things in your pack have an easy ride and you don't even notice them.
Again, take a close look at my pack in the photo in my post above.... That's a "big" CamelBak pack.. It's really comfortable and i can even carry my Stihl 020T Pro Limbing Chainsaw in there... and if I take the bar off and stuff it inside, none of the saw shows as I ride past unsuspecting Hikers or tree huggers.. no need to get them all excited eh"
Edited by 2PLY, 15 February 2012 - 01:40 PM.