I like domestic trucks and have happily drove my F150 for a few years ----at 170k, i am ready for a new one.

Problem is, most of my local Ford dealerships are goobers who think they are selling MErcedes' for heavens sakes. Chevy not a whole lot better.

I had an awesome experience with a local Honda dealer when i bought my wife's Accord a couple of years ago, and they have a sister Toyo dealership (you see where i am going with this) -- I guess i need to just get out and drive some of them, but whats the real world difference between the 4.6 and the 5.7 liter in a Tundra? The difference between a 4.6 Ford and a 5.4 Ford was pretty shocking

I was contemplating a Tacoma even, but the TRD crew cab 4wd model hits the 30k price range easilly, and that is the range for a crew cab Tundra 4.6L 2wd. If gas mileage is close , i'll go for the bigger truck, - in Oklahoma, 2wd is not a "deal killer" like it would be in CO or other cold weather states

So far, i am reviewing dealership inventory online and stuff like that. Rather than being browbeaten with a high sticker price, then having a "finance manager" try to sell me 2k wirth of extra warranties and scotchbriting, i may switch teams due to the superiority of this particular dealership/sales manager alone

Please --- every Toyota thread seems to deteriorate into a "foreign vs. domestic" rant -- i am not trying to do that-- just asking about the little V8's performance and anybody with experience with a Tacoma can hop in too.

I personally am completely satisfied with the performance of the domestic trucks i have had, but am not in the mood to play the games my local domestic dealerships want to play. The nice guy who sold me my Accord in a low hassle, little pressure manner while still giving me a fair deal will likely get this sale when i decide to put pen to paper

i have a 04 4.6 tundra and a 05 4.6 sequoia and my buddy has an 07 5.7 tundra crew max that i have driven often and when we go bike of snowmobile trips this is the primary vehicle we have been taking. The 4.6 is a great motor and will do pretty good with gas. I get around 16ish in the tundra and 15 in the sequoia for daily driving i like mine and the 4.6 is enough even with 2 bikes in the bed. When towing my 7x14 enclosed (all aluminum Vnose) mileage goes down to about 7 and it struggles on some bigger hills. The 5.7 on the other hand will tow the same trailer alot easier and get a little better mileage (round 10), with our 4 place aluminum enclosed the 5.7 tows it well but mileage goes to about 8.

With that said and the towing i do i would go with the 5.7 in the tundra.

Its sad that the ford dealers in your area are like that, the new f150 are a great truck. Thats how most of the dealers in my area are and why im still driving my 04 tundra, I just can't stand dealing with some of the dealers in this area and the ones i can do not sell a truck i would buy.

I had a 2000 4.7 tundra. I loved it. Just not a big enough bed, not enough tow capacity or axle strength for what I wanted to carry.
I now have a 5.4 F150 long bed 4wd xcab and it is a great truck also. It is a tank and hauls and tows great.
Not as good quality IMO with the Toyota but serves my purposes. Minor issues with it but nothing too bad.

I hear the 5.7 Tundra is a great truck.
For towing- maybe the best gasser out there.

I only paid 13,500 for my Ford with 40,000 miles though- very cost effective.

If you go the Tundra route, the 4.6 and 5.7 are physically the same engine, just different internal dimensions, but the 5.7 is a powerhouse and has a huge tow rating. Mileage is a smidgen down, but the resale, the 5.7 is the more desirable to have.

I have had both motors. 4.6 in an AWD 4-Runner and the 5.7 in the Tundra.
I liked the 4.6 alot but after I put a trailer behind it and the 5.7 I liked the 5.7 a ton more. Sold the 4.6, still have the 5.7.

I think some of you are confusing the old 4.7 with the new 4.6. The OP is asking about the new 4.6 that replaced the old 4.7. While i'm sure they are similar, they are not the same engine. Just trying to clear things up.

I personally could not go toyota. I have an 07 F150 with a 5.4. I just got at the end of 2011 with 88k miles on it...and i love it. Then again, id of loved any truck...i just wanted a truck again in a bad way. Gas mileage is def nothin to write home about, lol..but i didnt buy it expecting a focus. Its too bad some dealerships treat people the way they do. To be honest...i bought mine from one, and when i was on lots all day looking, i felt i was not viewed "a buyer" and had crap for help. They were lucky that at last dealer i stopped at I seen the truck and I just fell in love...to the point i pushed into being helped...and later that day bought it. I cant buy NEW trucks, I just feel the sticker prices are just ridiculous and wont do it. Never drove a toyota, and hate to admit it but I do like some of their trucks. Like to know how it turns out for ya.

These days there's no real reason you have to shop for a car locally... often dealers that have a strong online presence have the best prices, even counting the travel time to go get the vehicle.

My dad bought 3 vehicles at once last summer from a dealer in Iowa, after it was all said and done, including gas to go trade 3 cars for the 3 new ones, he saved nearly $10,000 over the best prices he could find locally. I wouldn't let the local dealer being a goober deter you from the truck you want.

J-WR2fitty --- I'm with ya on the Ford's -- i like 'em, but the competition (whether its GM, Toyo, or Nissan - havent looked at a Dodge yet) -- all have good trucks . Since my truck is predominately a work vehicle, i can't afford not to buy a new one--- if i buy a used vehicle with 40k on the clock, that just means i will be vehicle shopping again 2 years sooner than i would have if i had bought new

I just looked at it the same way i looked at buying my last MX bike --- i went to the dealer who has the best local presence -- the guys who will likely have some staff at the races ready to razz you when you come in for a new back fender on Tuesday afterward, and the guys who work with you the best to sell your old scoot when its time. None of the modern bikes are bad and since i am a big guy, i was going to have to overhaul the suspension on anything i bought anyway , so the color of the bike mattered little to me ---- (i got a Yamaha btw )

Granted, buying a truck is nowhere near as personalized an experience as buying an MX bike, but when they all have pretty good positives, i dont care whose name is on the fender --- they will all do what i need

But if i go Toyo , i have definitely decided to limit my looking to the 5.7 for the reasons MDT-Tech stated . Good power and better value down the road , -- not much worse economy either, maybe 1 mpg

I have also been toying with the idea of doing some travelling though , as Chevy.cowboy suggested. -- i telephoned a dealer in New Orleans i had worked with in the past and they were willing to give me numbers over the phone i could start working with. I wouldnt mind a long weekend in the Big Easy if thats the way things work out,
Im going to be patient with it though --- since my truck is still running quite well, i feel like im in the best position to hold out for the right truck

I have a 2000 Tundra with the 4.7 engine. I like it a lot, but I don't pull any heavy trailers with it, mainly my dirt bike trailer and another small trailer with my camping gear in it.

My friend just bought a later model Tundra with the 5.7 and he loves it for towing his boat.

Epilogue -- when i started actually calling some out of town dealers and had some legitimate quotes on actual vehicles , the local guys became much more accomodating

Ultimately, i was able to get a 2012 Ford at a price i was comfortable with from a dealership 8 miles from my house.
To be fair, the dealership i purchased from was not one of the establishments that at first seemed to want full sticker --- i contacted them in a last ditch effort to buy local . I showed them a quote from a competing dealership in another state, asked them to do the same and said if the price started to change or anything goofy happened when i was there, i would walk. I also added that i wished the transaction to take no more than 1.5 hours if we already had an agreed upon price

I know i didnt get the Toyo i was originally asking questions about, but i thought my car buying experience was something i would share.
Honestly, all the vehicles i drove and researched were pretty impressive in one way or another

The Ford is a 2wd Crewcab with the Ecoboost engine --- everything they say about the Ecoboost engine seems to be true so far with the exception of the actual gas mileage, -- It is definitely not the mileage king it is marketed to be, but its better than my old V8 and is shockingly fast for such a big heavy truck ---
hopefully i wont be buying another one for a few years

nice truck! It seems that a lot of people aren't getting the fuel mileage that Ford claims they will get. What are you averaging now?

The EcoBoost is not really the mileage motor. The "23 MPG" Motor is the 3.7L N/A V6.

 Yamiryder, on 04 March 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Thanks for the compliment -- the day after i bought the truck , i took it to San Antonio. From Oklahoma City, that was 500 there and 500 back with a bit of city driving done while i was there --- i averaged 17.8 per the onboard mileage reader.
Most of the drive was spent in a headwind and at 75-80mph . I-35 through TX has a 75mph speed limit in most places and all the Texans and Okies seem to drive 90

18mpg doesn't sound too bad given its HP's , until you factor in Ford's 22 mpg mileage claims for the engine. I would bet 22mpg is at 60mph on the flattest sea level road they could find though, and thats just not the way the majority of people drive on the highway. I was told that winter mix fuel is still being used though and when this is phased out in a week or two, i may pick up a little bit of a mileage gain

Fuel economy highway ratings are for 65 mph

I had an 06 Tundra double cab, 4wd, 4.7 V8. It was a great truck. The only thing was the towing was very low. I think the Tacoma of the same year had the same towing capacity. Now I don't tow, but when my wife an I started looking a camping trailers we were VERY limited. The frame, the axle (same as a Tacoma), brakes, etc. just were not up to the task. Plus the gas mileage wasn't that great, probably 14-15.

The upsides, excellent build quality, great acceleration, solid feeling truck, being a just a little narrower than a typical full size wasn't all bad. Overall I would suggest the truck to anyone as long as towing is not a priority.

 Anravqsuh, on 06 March 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

I find that hard to believe...

 Yamiryder, on 07 March 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Me too.

Everything else he said seemed fairly accurate though...