Stupid question?

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:49 PM

#21

camman, on 03 February 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

What is this:

http://www.pivotwork...px?item_id=1198

Fits the 2009 - 2010 Honda CRF 450R. As you can plainly see it is an oil seal with an outer spring.

This is a picture of a fork seal with the wet side up.

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camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:03 PM

#22

No - it is an oil seal which has two springs. The photo doesnt show the otherside with the spring. The oil side is called a "gland" in seal terminology. This photo is of the dust side which has a spring thus this is a two spring oil seal. If you look closely you can see the "gland" is non existant so it has to be the outer side of the oil seal.

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

#23

What you are looking at is a generic stock photo that has been taken by Pivot Works to represent there product line. Their CRF seals aren't even blue, they are black and they contain one spring. If you have ever actually held a set of their CRF seals, you would know this.

Here is a CRF Showa fork seal tutorial written by Agent Smith were he installs a set of Pivot Works seals and wipers. Note that he installs the seal "with the "spring" facing up, part number facing down". Note that "spring" is singular.

http://paochow.com/f...php?topic=124.0

camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:33 PM

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[font=Arial][size=2]The article was from 2008! The double spring is 09-12. If you follow my rule that the company logo faces outwards you can see that the Pivot Works spring side faces out - there is another spring on the gland side. Thus there are two springs!! I have a 09 seal which I can photograph to prove to you that there are two springs! Or you can just trust me and accept it for fact! :bonk:

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CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:51 PM

#25

The OP is working on a set of 2005 CRF450 forks w/ 47mm Showas, not your 48mm KYB's

The OEM KYB seals for the 48mm KYB forks also contain only one spring. Maybe the Pivot works kit has some odd ball double spring seals for them, but I'll believe it when I see a set first hand. Irregardless, your original statement that Honda seals contain two springs is misleading, especially since the OP previously stated that he decided to install OEM seals instead of that overpriced Pivot Works junk. Maybe that went over YOUR head.

camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:26 PM

#26

^{Firstly, you can say what you want but there are two springs on the oil seal (which you said doesn't exist). Secondly there is no such word as "irregardless" it is "regardless"!}

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:29 PM

#27

camman, on 03 February 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

^{Firstly, you can say what you want but there are two springs on the oil seal (which you said doesn't exist). Secondly there is no such word as "irregardless" it is "regardless"!}

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? I'm willing to wager $100 that when the OP gets his "Honda seals" for his '05, they will contain one spring in each seal. I'm good for it. Are you?

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:31 PM

#28

camman, on 03 February 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

^{Secondly there is no such word as "irregardless" it is "regardless"!}

Once again, you are wrong. http://www.merriam-w...ry/irregardless

camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:40 PM

#29

From Wiki:

Irregardless is an informal term commonly used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since it first appeared in the early twentieth century. Most dictionaries list it as "nonstandard" or "incorrect".

It is a slang contraction of regardless and irrespective and does not exist.

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:44 PM

#30

From Merriam Webster's dictionary:

"The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose."

MXandSXracer21

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:46 PM

#31

Every Honda OEM oil seal I have seen only has one spring (which faces upwards towards the handlebars). Make sure the spring is facing upwards, if not, then oil will "burp" past the oil seal when the forks compress, thus generating higher pressure. There are some aftermarket ones that have springs on both sides, however, that would just add a lot of stiction.

OEM seals are the only ones I would use. I may try out the SKF seals one day to see how they are, but for the average person, the OEM seals are the best in a cost and performance standpoint.

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:47 PM

#32

Are you scared of the wager? It's Just a little pocket change to prove you are wrong.

camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:49 PM

#33

Here is a photo of both sides of a two spring fork seal. As you stated, "Fork seals, regardless of brand, contain one spring and they always face the spring inside towards the wet side." Guess you were wrong. However, you did use the word "regardless" correctly!!

http://www.motosport...S-FORK-SEAL-KIT

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

#34

camman, on 03 February 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

What is this:

http://www.pivotwork...px?item_id=1198

Fits the 2009 - 2010 Honda CRF 450R. As you can plainly see it is an oil seal with an outer spring.

What does that have to do with the OP's 2005 CRF450? This thread is about replacing a set of leaky '05 CRF450 fork seals.

Back to the wager. $100 says the OP ends up with a set of single spring fork seals. Are you scared of losing a measly $100?

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:10 PM

#35

I guess $100 is a lot of money to camman.

camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:11 PM

#36

I am not debating that the 05 is a single spring. What I am debating is your comment when I said there are two spring seals. Your reply was "it's obvious you don't know what the hello you are talking about". However, I wash correct that newer Hondas use a dual spring oil seal.

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:25 PM

#37

camman, on 03 February 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

The topic of the thread is about fork seals for a 2005 with 47mm Twin Chamber Showa Forks. Not KYB, not Marzocchi , not Ohlins, not some chinese pit bike forks.

There is no such thing as a dual spring fork seal for the 47mm Showa Twin Chamber Forks. Period. You can go off topic all you want, but nothing you say will change that fact.

If you believe that Honda sells a twin spring OEM seal for your KYB forks, I will also gladly wager $100 that you are wrong about that too. Put up, or shut up.

camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:39 PM

#38

CamP, on 03 February 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

If you believe that Honda sells a twin spring OEM seal for your KYB forks, I will also gladly wager $100 that you are wrong about that too. Put up, or shut up.

How about $10,000? We will put the money in escrow. PM and we can make arraingments! I am not joking!

camman

Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:43 PM

#39

http://www.hondapowe...oductId=8823128

You still want to make this bet? You are a fool if you keep going!

CamP

Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:46 PM

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camman, on 03 February 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

http://www.hondapowe...oductId=8823128

You still want to make this bet? You are a fool if you keep going!

Well, you finally proved me wrong about something, even if it was off topic!

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