tye1138, on 22 January 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

I'm not talking about sliding the rear out ALL THE WAY to the side. I mean like how on fast, wide corners, they lean to one side and the rear end steps out a little bit to help them turn while going fast.

kx910, on 22 January 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Yep, that just happens by the way, its not really that difficult to do.

On a given lap I can turn a faster lap on my YZ250 than on any four stroke. That's probably mostly to do with having ridden two strokes my whole life though. I jump on a four stroke every once-in-a-while and I just can't ride them right. They require a totally different riding style. When you're used to the cut and thrust style riding a two stroke, four strokes are hard to adapt to. Plus they just aren't as fun to ride, and isn't that why we ride?

I will say four stokes are much less tiring to ride though. I may be slower on a four stroke but I can go harder for longer on one.

Ih8Hondas, on 22 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Yea, they are different to jump for sure, more gyroscopic effect and greater weight. You also can't build speed, get off the throttle and maintain that speed. So you've gotta be on the throttle when leaving a jump face more so then on a 2 stroke, where you can kinda build the speed on the face of the jump and get off the throttle when you've got enough. Do that on a 4 stroke and you'll wind up not clearing the jump.

Ih8Hondas, on 22 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Well, thats all riding style dependent. Both bikes can be ridden point and shoot or railing lines. I prefer to rail the outside rather then deal with ruts on my 125 because I don't have to slow down as much. I do prefer the point and shoot style of riding as well, but its not necessarily the quickest line. Because 4 strokes can "lug" through a corner, they do work better when it comes to tight rutted lines where you would loose too much speed.

Ih8Hondas, on 22 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Depends on how you ride the bike. If you ride it hard like a 125 then its just as fun. I think the problem is:

Ih8Hondas, on 22 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Since I don't own a 4 stroke, its hard to make an accurate judgement from the experiences I have had. But I will say this much, if I owned a 250 4 stroke, I'd ride it like a 125 and probably do quicker laptimes for sure. I don't feel like blowing anyones 250 4 stroke up, so I don't really ride a borrowed bike like I would my own, but I'd for sure ride it Barcia style, pinned, rev limiter, the whole 9 yards, twould be fun!

I seriously contemplated buying a used 2009 250SXF (last year of the interchangeable parts with my bike) just to have one. The only problem is, I'd have to build the motor to withstand my wrath from day one and thats just too expensive. But if I do it, you guys will be the first to know! heh

Now I'm kinda lost.... OP, you are asking the WRONG QUESTION.

I ride 2t, so if I get on a 4t, it's harder. 2t requires a little more shifting and clutch use, does that make you think it's harder? 2t bikes turn easier. does that make a 4t harder?


They are different bikes that suit different riding styles, one is not harder that the other for all riders in the world. why don't you ride both and see what you like?

Motocross Action had a pretty good article on this topic:
http://motocrossacti...VERSU-7117.aspx

I've ridden a yz125 and a crf250r multiple times on a track, and the yz requires a more aggressive riding style, but that is what makes it more fun to ride. Plus it is cheaper and easier to maintain than the 4 stroke. Is the 125 harder for me to ride? Yes, but that makes it much more rewarding whenever I am able to beat the bigger bore bikes.

the small bore 2 stroker needs you to be more hardworking!

keep shifting!!

the thumper just rev like there's no tomorrow, darn wide powerband

i called my ex 450f, the "lazy's man" bike.

honda230rider, on 25 January 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

I have no input as to the original question but that article along with this one where they do it again but with new KTMs should be required reading before entering into any 2t vs 4t thread.
http://motocrossacti...S-201-8417.aspx

Just my humble opinion but I can ride a 125 harder than I can a 250F but I am more comfortable on a 450F than I am on a 250 2-stroke. I think it really depends on what you grew up riding too.