Yamiryder, on 25 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Correction: Yes they have a DPF, only since 2010. I was thinking of the 06-09 6.7L.

Chickenhauler, on 21 January 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

there is actually a plow company that makes a kit that has been endorsed by ford to use on their new steering systems....

apparently this one has been approved by ford for use with the EPAS (and the EPAS is WAY nice for just normal driving)
http://www.snoway.co...m/act/plow/s/12

Edited by KGSloan, 26 January 2012 - 12:01 PM.

Kiffer_XR250R, on 26 January 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

uhhhhh, no, all 2007.5 and newer 6.7 Cummins engines have a DPF...
http://www.cumminsdi..._emissions.html
Plus, there are a whole bunch of DPF deletes made for the 07-09 6.7 and videos on youtube of them without a DPF.

Kiffer_XR250R, on 25 January 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

They do have DPF, and the urea isn't an option, it's mandatory to meet the emissions requirements for cab and chassis versions, but it's coming to the cab-and-box version soon.

KGSloan, on 26 January 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

It looks like Snoway say's it's OK, but does Ford say it's OK-I'd want it in writing from Ford.

Chickenhauler, on 27 January 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

according to members on the f150 forum, ford has endorsed it in writing.

however, being that I live in oklahoma I have no need for a plow - and have not looked into it much.  If you really do like the ecoboost, and it's a fantastic engine in a fantastic truck, it may be worth your time to do some digging.  

KGSloan, on 27 January 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

I'm too cheap to buy anything new.

But that aside,I wouldn't waste my time putting a plow on a half ton...I've seen what plowing stress can do to a one-ton.

HardCoreHusky, on 19 January 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Only because it's a Dodge and they don't make anything less!!!

Just kidding...I couldn't resist!

On a serious not... the last thing I would do with a new truck is put a plow on it...it will ruin ANY truck, especially if you are inexperienced. Anybody considering snow plowing should get an old POS pickup or old full size SUV that can be repaired cheaply. Short wheelbase regular cab is best. I love seeing guys with brand new crewcab duallies trying to plow out small parking lots.

urlosin, on 28 January 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

That would be fine for someone whose scraping out their driveway (and maybe the a neighbor or two) but when you have 20+ acres of plowing contracts, and the customers expect them clean when they open in the AM, old beater equipment will put you out of business in an instant.

For home use...89 Chevy Blazer is about perfect....solid axle, short wheelbase, TBI 350, just gotta deal with that weak link transmission.

Not sure about everywhere, but around here I have seen more companies go out of business overspending on $40K trucks that are going to get the crap beat out of them and break no matter how new they are.  I would never recommend spending personal money for a $40K plus truck that is going to get a plow put on it. Strictly business use is a little different matter as  some of those expenses can be written off...but it doesn't sound like OP is using strictly for business.


Back to the original question, a free Cummins upgrade is a no brainer...resale alone makes that an easy decision.

I have almost 20 years experience in the auto industry. As a DEALER, almost 10.

http://autos.aol.com...ality-declines/

http://www.mycarlady...oblems-persist/    You could Google this corroborating stuff for weeks.
Somewhere is a report from either Consumer reports or JD Powerrs, I can't seem to locate it, that puts the Dodge Diesel on a DO NOT BUY LIST. I am not in the mood to trey and find it, but I read it 2 months ago.

My Master Certified Mechanics for HD TRUCKS and separate Cert for cars, Master Cert, will tell you the Dodge / Ford Diesels are the worst engines the two companies have EVER produced. The last 2 Ford versions, and the last and current Dodge version specifically. The injectors and the brains go out on both…. constantly. In the case of one of the brands, their are TWO injector brain controllers that cost $3,500… EACH. Were talking $3,500 to $8,000 per incident on these trucks. Count on at least 2 separate incidents under 60,000 miles. They usually last about 7,000-12,000 miles, each fix.

This is NO joke. My mechanics work on nothing but HD trucks. A true MASTER tech. is very hard to find. Even harder, an honest one. Talk to ANY reputable Diesel mechanic. NOT the service writer, but actually walk around the back and grab a mech tech. NO one honest will tell you to buy one. I assure you of that. The one mechanic that will say it's ok, will not jive with the other 3 or 4 you talk to. The one lone tech that says they are great is a liar or has very little years in the business.

The way I started off in the industry to figure out a brand to sell, I did by actually walking to the back of all the major dealers and grabbing a mechanic to pick their brains before I even picked a brand to get into as a dealer. The I called out of state dealers where Diesels are more prevalent. Same answers. We personally have owned HD trucks ourselves for well over 25 years.

Don't do it. There are currently NO Big Three Diesels that would be a good buy. The Chevy's are among the least at this moment, but still have major engine, injector and very major suspension problems in their HD's. The only reliable, bullet proof Diesels at this moment are Jap or Korean. Even the MBZ Sprints are total crap in longevity.
Izusu, Toyota, Hyundai Diesels are excellent.

I will never listen to the die hards that will buy their brand, no matter how crappy. No matter how much imperial evidence exists, these morons will defend their brand and continue to buy no matter what is put in front of them. No matter how much they spend times in the dealer service bay, these jokers will tell you these Diesels are Gods gift. Then they'll tell you they 25, 30 mpg with a 6,000 vehicle when a small SUV like a RAV 4 can barely break low 20's. With a 4 cylinder. They will make up all sorts of BS based on the fanaticism of their brand; based on ZERO facts.
I WOULD buy a 2009 and up Hemi truck in a heart beat. They are proven, they will pull a horse trailer up the grapevine at 90mph, and they get excellent mpg. They are also damned reliable. I am NOT a Chrysler fan, but I will tell you I have ran into a lot of Hemi owners that have not replacers trans, motors, or anything else.

The last reliable Diesels were the Ford 7.3 and the early 2000's, late 90's Cummins. PERIOD.

Now if you are required to pull Earth moving equipment on a weekly basis, such as a 200hp Dozer, then some sort of Diesel is a must. However, if that was the case I'd get a commercial Izusu before I ever raped my own behind with a Big Three Diesel. The problem is the market is so fast, companies have little to no time for R&D like they had 20 years ago.

That or a good old early American Diesel with a Banks Supercharger and exhaust. That whole package would be about $5,000.

Edited by ThumpSquid, 28 January 2012 - 01:46 PM.

I have 20 years at a Dodge dealer. I am the diesel guy. The Cummins is not that bad. I have had one truck that had some very corrosive bad fuel run through it it was 13,000.00 to fix. But thats it no injectors or ecm's thats all bs have not seen that I do this every day.

ThumpSquid, on 28 January 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

I didn't read all the BS in your post, but i did catch a few things..
1. the GM diesels, the Duramax, is made by Izusu....
2. if you really knew about early Amercan Diesels, you would know that you can put an aftermarket Banks TURBOCHARGER, not supercharger, on the early N/A diesels...i'm not saying you couldn't supercharge them, but Banks makes turbo kits, not supercharger kits.

urlosin, on 28 January 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Plowing only 'beats the crap' out of a one ton truck when the operator is doing stupid stuff.  Don't get me wrong, plowing is tough on a truck, but a smooth approach makes a world of difference.

I used to plow commercially, and never tore stuff up.  Then again, the guy operating the equipment (me) was the guy who had to not only pay to replace the broken stuff, but also had to do the repairs.

ThumpSquid, on 28 January 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

What does a car report have to do with trucks?

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If you're going to slam someone, at least get their name right (and find a source that does too).

It's not JD Powerrs, or JD Powers, it's J.D. Power.

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If you have Master Certified Mechanics for HD TRUCKS, then they're not qualified to work on one-tons...those are light trucks.

http://www.ase.com/Tests.aspx

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If they're working on one-tons (non-cdl stuff) that's a light truck.

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First you say they're mostly all liars, cheats and frauds, then say that 3 out of 4 will tell you these engines are garbage?

The way I started off in the industry to figure out a brand to sell, I did by actually walking to the back of all the major dealers and grabbing a mechanic to pick their brains before I even picked a brand to get into as a dealer. The I called out of state dealers where Diesels are more prevalent. Same answers. We personally have owned HD trucks ourselves for well over 25 years.

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That's the best one I've heard all day!

The last reliable Diesels were the Ford 7.3 and the early 2000's, late 90's Cummins. PERIOD.

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You're right, a diesel would be a must....but not in a pickup truck.

D6 Cat (200 hp) weighs in at 44,000 lbs.

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Got a link to anyone selling a banks supercharger for an early american diesel?

Personally i would never buy a diesel if i had the choice, but if i had to i would buy a Duramax/ Allison combo after the injectors have been upated. The 7.3 was good, but Fords rust too easily and the tranny wouldn't hold up. Same thing with the Cummins'. But back to the original question, dont buy a dodge. Buyva 5.7 Tundra and you wont have any regrets. Im a mechanic with almost 40 years experience and the japenese cars are the way to go. The quality is outstanding and the reliability is unmatched by any american company. And if you WANT more power (you wont need it) then there's the TRD supercharger that is backed by Toyota themselves. With the supercharger and a few simple mods you will ne pushing 500 hp and that will pull anything a diesel can. But, since its only a half ton frame the truck itself wont be able to do the work a one ton can even though the motor is able to. All in all, you wont be disappointed.

Toyota makes a great truck but evan supercharged it will not pull as well as diesel. How about for plowing can you hang an 8 ft blade off a Tundra?

tech857, on 29 January 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Isnt the Tundra a 1/2 ton? I bet you will find no plow was designed for a 1/2 ton truck.

toyota_mdt_tech, on 29 January 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

There are a lot of plows designed specifically with half tons in mind-poly blades, lighter materials, but in turn, that sacrifices strength, durability and longevity.

http://www.plowsforhalftons.com/

http://www.hiniker.c..._homeowner.html

There's even plows made for mini trucks (now called "mid size").

Chokey, on 22 January 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

You have no idea what you are talking about my 1 ton is a daily driver. And my fuel milage is much better than yours. Maybe the small penis guys are the ones who always bring penis's to the truck conversations...

HardCoreHusky, on 29 January 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

  I guess I must have hit a little too close to home, eh Hardcore?

Seriously? No idea what I'm talking about, huh? So everybody that buys a $50k diesel truck need one? They all tow 10,000 pounds on a daily basis? None of them would be able to take care of their hauling/towing duties with a smaller, less expensive, more reliable truck? Seriously? I'm totally wrong about that?

Sure, you probably get fuel mileage about on par with me, around 20mpg on the highway. But your fuel costs $.50 a gallon more than mine, so you still spend more for fuel. And I don't have $100 oil changes, $1000 tires, $3500 engine repairs, etc...

So you really had a need for a $50k truck that will almost certainly at some point in it's life need several thousand dollars in repairs? You regularly tow or haul many thousands of pounds? Or did you just have to have a big giant truck, way more truck than the vast majority of buyers need, because it was "cool"?

You're free to buy and enjoy whatever you wish, it's your money. You're also free to not like my opinion, just as I'm free to have that opinion.

Edited by Chokey, 29 January 2012 - 06:12 PM.