New Dodge 2500 daily driver... Gas vs diesel pros/cons...
Posted 19 January 2012 - 05:42 PM
All insights are appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Posted 19 January 2012 - 06:04 PM
The cons: the oil changes are nearly 3 times as much, however you do them half as much.
I have a 2000 3500 dually with the Cummins and I will never own anything less.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 07:43 PM
Maintenance cost is higher on diesel trucks so are repair bills. It sounds like a diesel wouldn't be a bad option since it sounds like you tow a lot. Lots of torque and better fuel milage than it's gas equvilant.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 07:58 PM
Honestly, I believe a properly equipped 1/2 ton would easily do what I want, but the current Dodge deals seem good... Is there any reason to shy from them in general?
*DISCLAIMER*... I hold absolutely NO brand loyalty... If there are issues with these trucks, please elaborate... My last 5 trucks were Ford, Chev, Toyota, GMC, Toyota...
Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:37 PM
The new Cummins 6.7 does not get the mileage of the older 5.9, and reliability has not been terribly aweosme on them. Oil changes, fuel filter changes, air filter changes, etc..will all cost more. In some cases they actually negate any mileage increase the Diesel may offer. The Ford 6.7 Diesel offers far better mileage and power, but costs quite a deal more.
Honestly, if you're only going to be pulling 24 days total out of the year (assuming they're to there/back on each of those 12 weekends) and it's going to be your daily, a gasser would probably be a better bet. I'd wait until Dodge rolls out the 6 Speed for the 2500 Gassers though - or get a Ford/Chevy gasser that already offer a 6 speed auto.
Edited by Lead Head, 19 January 2012 - 10:48 PM.
Posted 20 January 2012 - 02:40 PM
it's the best of both worlds, in my humble opinion. I am not brand loyal, but i have always owned GM vehicles with v8's since i was 16 years old (camaros and then trucks). I went to buy a new truck and was looking at dodge and chevy, wasn't even going to look at a ford didn't want anything to do with one. a buddy convinced me to test drive the ecoboost and i was sold - it's phenominal.
it has a torque curve like a diesel (not as high, obviously, but same shape - FLAT) and it gets great mileage unloaded. it's a really nice truck too.
oil changes cost $40 and are 10,000 mile intervals.
no other half ton on the market with a gas v8 can dream of comparing towing wise - they just don't have the power down low (90% of the available 420ft-lb is available at 1,700rpm on up) of this twin turbo engine. check them out - i was having the same debate and couldn't justify a diesel initial cost and expense so stayed half ton - this is the most "heavy duty" of them and will have the best pulling experience in my opinion.
another huge plus, it does great at elevation due to the forced induction.
Edited by KGSloan, 20 January 2012 - 02:41 PM.
Posted 20 January 2012 - 04:48 PM
Kinda rules that out...
And the 2500 with the Hemi has a 6 speed for 2012...
Posted 20 January 2012 - 10:33 PM
Then, factor in this isn't a simple engine anymore, it's an extremely complex system of engine management controls, valves, filters, and injectors. Lots to go haywire. And not just anyone can work on them. Make sure your dealer has a good tech who works on them day in, day out, not just some schlub who went to a 3-day 'class' and now knows where the oil filler cap is. An inexperienced tech can make what should be a simple repair turn into an epic saga of return repairs.
EGR, DPF and Urea? Not a good recipe for longevity IMHO.
Posted 21 January 2012 - 07:40 AM
Two options were. 24,000.00 for the Diesel with 100k - 125k all of them had been used to tow with. Horse trailers, boats, rv's etc.
2nd option was a gasser with 80k miles. He used it to tow a boat from the storage yard 4 miles to the launch. He wanted 18k. It is spotless.
I talked the gasser down to 16k and swooped on it.
It was all math for me. I wanted a smaller monthly payment. And figured out that even with the 12 MPG on the 6.0L it would still be cheaper then 15 - 19 MPG on the diesel and I got a truck with less miles. I'll drive it around 7000 miles a year.
In the end 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500HD LT 4x4 Power everything, leather, heated seats, telescoping side mirrors, tint, wheels, factory tow package = 16K.
I promptly dropped around 500.00 into it going full synthetic, adding a leveling kit, replacing a CV with a torn boot.
I'm ready to tow.
Posted 21 January 2012 - 10:11 AM
Edited by Ryan_kdx, 21 January 2012 - 10:14 AM.
Posted 21 January 2012 - 12:02 PM
Posted 21 January 2012 - 06:48 PM
Maybe time to move to a newer Tundra... I just wish Toyota would come out with some type of fuel savings in their engine engieering... like multiple displacement, or even offering a diesel option...
Posted 21 January 2012 - 06:56 PM
Of course, using it as a plow truck in one's personal driveway is a far cry from the torment and abuse that a truck sees plowing commercially.
Posted 21 January 2012 - 07:31 PM
Posted 21 January 2012 - 07:37 PM
Ecoboost + Plow = no warranty.
Posted 21 January 2012 - 07:45 PM
Edited by Ryan_kdx, 21 January 2012 - 07:47 PM.
Posted 22 January 2012 - 07:22 AM
Posted 22 January 2012 - 08:26 AM
Edited by Chokey, 22 January 2012 - 08:31 AM.
Posted 22 January 2012 - 08:34 AM
hard to flame someone for making a logical post. I'm getting a daily driver car, probably a civic so i don't have use my 3/4 ton.
If i drive 1000 miles a month, which is really easy to do and i work from home, i will pay 356.00 in gas.
If i lease a new civic with my old truck as a trade in. I will pay 170.00 for the lease. and 100.00 in gas. insuracne will be another 86.00 a month.
So for the price of driving my big truck i can have a 2nd vehicle, prolong the life of my truck and save money.