Can this basket be saved?
Posted November 09, 2011 - 07:15 AM
Mine looks pretty bad to me, also the boss is worn (see pics).
Is it past saving? Anybody save one this far gone?
I was quoted 363 British pounds (by Fowlers) just for the basket, that's 580 dollars!
Posted November 09, 2011 - 10:37 AM
The basket is easy to file smooth but you must take great care to file the basket straight if you file at an angle and the plates contact on an edge and not a flat surface you be right back to deep grooves in a few rides.
If it doesn't work that you haven't lost any money other than a gasket and maybe some oil.
Posted November 09, 2011 - 12:23 PM
Buy from the USA
$212 from boats.net for the basket, $57 for the inner boss
Posted November 10, 2011 - 12:44 AM
Posted November 10, 2011 - 01:06 AM
- From what I could see there's not much OEM on ebay, certainly not much OEM in the UK on Ebay.
I'm guessing that the OEM's do their job well but select and target a particular Performance / features, Reliability and Price point. Some people are discerning enough to know that a particular aftermarket solution is targeting a slightly (or very!) different Performance / features, Reliability and Price that fit's them better. I'm not knowledgeable enough to be honest, about the products or what I need!, so I generally stick with vanilla OEM unless there's a good reason not to (like availability at a reasonable price).
- especially as the basket has been unchanged for a number of years across a number of models, OEM seems a safe bet.
What do people think about aftermarket baskets?
Posted November 10, 2011 - 05:23 AM
Posted November 10, 2011 - 06:40 AM
Al, Aftermarket basket are almost always at least as good, sometimes better than stock. If your hard on baskets, I'd be inclined to go with the Barnett model, as it has stainless steel sleeves on the tangs so they should never groove up. And if they did, there replaceable!!! Maniac
I agree typically when it comes to clutch baskets and components the companies like Barnett, Hinson, and Wiseco make some good units. Hinson are supposed to be the best from what I've heard but I have no experience with them. Hopefully you will be able to repair your OEM basket to get you by which will give you some more time to come across a good deal for the future.
Posted November 11, 2011 - 06:38 AM
I have hit a problem during reassembly, which isn't covered in the service manual. Anyone ever come across the below?
The manual says to torque the clutch boss nut to 75NM (54 ft lbs) and fold over the tabs on the lock washer to secure it. However at 75NM the flats on the nut do not align with the tabs on the washer.
If I decrease the torque wrench until it does align, it's only at 30NM! I haven't tried making it tighter to fit the other tab, but I'm guess it would be significantly over 75NM.
Does that mean my torque wrench must be out? Or is it more likely something's broken or installed wrong?
...Or do just take 75NM as a guide but principally make it fit the tab, seems a bad idea to me... Or just bend the tabs over and try to press them down onto the nut corners... seems like another bad idea, but happy to be told I'm wrong...
Everything was well oiled. Torque wench isn't a great brand, but did come with calibration certificate. At 75NM its about 1/3 through the rotation required to align the 2nd tab on the lock washer, so it's basically nowhere close.
Thanks for any help.
- I'm off looking for someone to lend me a torque wrench!
Posted November 11, 2011 - 06:51 AM
Posted November 11, 2011 - 07:09 AM
Does your air gun have any kind of calibrated torque setting? - If not, given you don't torque it to spec, can I read into that, that it's not too sensitive? I.e. I can probably over tighten till I get close to the next tab without too much risk of breaking anything?
Posted November 11, 2011 - 07:38 AM
Posted November 12, 2011 - 11:02 AM
What I've done, which seems to have worked is as follows:
- Checked the torque wrench by putting a 1/2 inch socket on it and putting two of them back to back. Set to the same setting, mine was always first to click, so I suspect it's over rather than under reading, however not by very much.
- Got a new washer (I was hoping reusing the old one was the cause, with it already being compressed and offering up less resistance, but didn't seem to make any difference!)
- over torqued it in 10lb ft steps up to 80 lb ft to get it closer, and then folded over the tab best I could.
- put it all back together, and apart from a bit of dragging when cold, not problems yet.
So thanks for all the very helpful replies. I will be sure to post back if there's any issues in future, especially if they could be down to that over tightening! I'd also be very interested to hear any opinions on it, as I'm still not clear how unwise it was, even if I seem to have got away with it so far.
Posted November 13, 2011 - 06:57 AM
Posted November 14, 2011 - 06:39 AM
Posted November 14, 2011 - 11:56 AM
They Interchange the difference between the 2 is the quad basket has damper springs in the rear
I am installing one on my WR because I ride it on the road. The person who has informed me of this Had told me I needed to change the primary gear also but I think he had a aluminum frame bike, where ash 2004 steel frame I believe will just interchange.
I have the quad clutch ready to put in. I will count the keys on the big gear f you like if you plan on using this.
The pressure plate will interchange also. if you compare the 2 you can see the plate from quad is much more heavy duty.
Those stupid quads really abuse the 450I motor apparently
I sell parts on a very popular auction website.Some parts must cost alot in the UK as 35-40I of my sales are shipped there.Maybe its because hey got a new princess Kate, but every single person I've dealt with there has been overly polite
Posted November 19, 2011 - 07:44 AM
Quads are much more popular out here, so it is normally much easier to get Quad parts.
I would consider putting a heaver flywheel in the YZ anyway, so it would be fabulous to know if the Quad clutch can be made compatible. I have a 2009 YZ, so if you can count the gears and maybe post some pictures, that would be smashing.
Posted November 19, 2011 - 06:28 PM
Posted November 20, 2011 - 05:28 AM
What I have not, up until this point, admitted to is that I actually broke a center hub boss by trying to tighten it without the right clutch locking tool... If I lock it by holding the break on, do you reckon I am at any risk of breaking anything deeper into the engine?
Posted November 21, 2011 - 05:09 AM