L or R ??
Posted September 23, 2003 - 07:58 AM
What is the difference between the 650L and the R?? Looks like the "L" is the street version w/ mirrors and lights and stuff. Am I right? Are the specs the same as the "R"?
Posted September 24, 2003 - 04:11 PM
I purchased an L after being out of riding for a few years and after the first ride I knew that I had bought the wrong bike. I was going to stick it out for a while then a few months later a 650R Plated came out in the paper and I got rid of my L and went with the R.
The best move I ever made. The L is like a cadillac and it's hard to get after it on a bike that has a freakin dash board.
I say go for the R you will be much happier in the long run.
Posted September 25, 2003 - 04:34 AM
Posted September 25, 2003 - 06:13 AM
just my 2cents
Posted September 25, 2003 - 07:46 AM
Posted September 25, 2003 - 07:50 AM
Posted September 25, 2003 - 07:52 AM
I've never owned a XR650L nor have I ever ridden one, so I can't offer any first hand opinions, but the few persons I've talked to who have owned a 'L' and then switched to a 'R' have said there's a night & day difference in performance & off road handling and wished they had bought the 'R' to begin with, but their riding appeared to be more off-road focused. It's my understanding that the XR650L is basically a 350lb street legal version of the older but ultra reliable XR600. I've been told the 'L' is quite a bit more comfortable compared to the 'R' model if you plan to ride mostly on the street, especially for longer distances, so that may be something you want to investigate further if comfort is a priority over performance.
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Posted September 25, 2003 - 07:55 AM
Also what do you mean by this????
Posted September 25, 2003 - 08:28 AM
The lightness of the R is very noticable as soon as you sit on the bike. The dry weight of the L is 324lbs and the R is 277lbs. That right there is a very big difference. The L is very top heavy (with the metal tank and all the controls).
The L has a 644cc engine and the R has a 649cc engine (not a big difference but still a difference). There's a difference in the suspension between the two bikes as well.
If you get a chance to ride an R take it. You will see what I am talking about. When I had the L, I was so nervous about laying it over and breaking the dashboard that it was difficult to get after it. I removed all the non-essentials along with the smog kit...but it just never seemed right
The L is good for cruising the streets and the FS roads but that's about it.
Posted September 25, 2003 - 08:29 AM
Posted September 25, 2003 - 08:47 AM
The L is like a cadillac and it's hard to get after it on a bike that has a freakin dash board.
Also what do you mean by this????
The L is big, wide and heavy....a very nice piece of equipment but not something you want to take out and thrash...kinda like a cadillac
Posted September 26, 2003 - 04:07 AM
Posted September 26, 2003 - 07:17 PM
I ride the "L" on the Dirt and Street, These are my impression and experiances as my buddie has the "R" and I've riden both.
Get the "L" if..
-1 Get the "L" if you are 6 feet or taller (the biker is taller)
-2 If your going to be on the Road more then 50% of the time (Wider set that's more comfortable)
-3 You want to ever cary a second passanger onboard. (the "R" doesn't have back foot pegs nor the support frame)
-4 If you are a Big guy as the bike can carry a heavyer load up to like 350lbs The "R" is made for the lighter 175-190 rider. But my buddie is 250 and his "R" doesn't bottem out.
-5 You don't have to freeking load the thing up in the truck, latch eveything down, worry about it falling out the back.. I hate the hassel, with a "L" you just get on it and go to your destination without any problems.
-6 You want to save money! $5,500 streetable compaired to $6,500 which is for the bike and Dual-sport kit.
-7 FYI: The bike is heavy to get off of the ground if you drop it, I'm 200lbs and it's a [@#$%&!] to get up sometimes.
-8 The jetting and exhause upgrades are simple and really change the "L" around. Depending oun your skills (not the bike) you can hang with, lead, or follow the "R".
Get the "R" if..
-1 You have access to alot of dirt as you will chew up the dirt only tires on any roads that you use to get to the track or trails etc..
-2 You have a trailer or a trunk that you can load the "R" in already. If not you need to get ready to buy one.
-3 Your a horsepower junky, As after you do the jetting and exhause insert you'll have a new bike.
-4 You want a lighter bike as again the "L" is 30-35 lbs heaver then the "R" The "R" weight wize is like a toy compaired to the weight of the "L".
-5 You never want to ride on the street. If you do It's going to cost you an extra %500.00 - $1000.00 bucks, depending on what you buy. (I.E. Speedo, mirrors, title, tags, Dual-sport kit, they have different types, stators, light bulbs, horn, fender and lastly DOT approved Tires. You will wonder why you didn't get an "L" during this process. My friend has mentioned that to me several times and he loves his BRP "R"!
In summary the "L" vs. "R" is like being a "Republican or and Demy" Pick you side, but in the end it's the simple stuff like Your only 150lbs dude so get the "R" or your really never going to ride in the dirt so get the "L". Everone has sometype of situation that if found will sway them to the "R" or the "L". If someone says get the "R" because of the power, I disagree, a modified "L" has plenty of power to the point that it can go over 100mph and handle in the dirt and to the normal guy it will feel powerful enough. If that's not enough for you get a freeking 700cc big bore kit for the bike. I don't by the more power thing anymore, don't fall for it. The ultimate desiding factore will again be your riding style or you wallet.
Good luck, I tried not to be biased one way or the other, hopefully it came out that way.
Posted September 29, 2003 - 10:42 AM
#703429 - 09/23/03 08:58 AM Reply Quote
I am looking for a XR650 to use as a street / motard bike. I want the thing to be street legal in California too.
TTers-- he says straight up he's looking for a street/motard bike....not a dual sporter, not a dirt bike, not a cheap commuter bike.
For street/motard you would be nuts to go with an L. Has anyone ever even heard of anyone motarding an L? Ive never ever heard of it. There are 100's of motard'd R's out there. In fact its one of the most winning motard set ups. Leading motard teams in Germany, England, and France motard the heck out of the R.
If you want a street/motard bike -- as stated in your post-- then dont pay attention to the L enthusiasts--they are stearing you in the wrong direction and it could cost you BIG bucks to learn your lesson.
Get an R. Make it street legal before Jan 1 in California-when the laws change. Buy some 17 inch wheels-larger calipers/rotor, water-wetter, steering dampner, pipe, re-jet the carb, open the airbox, safety wire the thing, and you have the bascis of a very fast/fun and track worthy motard bike.
Dont even consider an L for motard/street for 3 seconds.
Posted September 29, 2003 - 07:41 PM
Thank you guys for your advice and taking the time to answer my Newbie question!
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