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[Bobbed06 TT Silver Member]

UrbanTerror said:

Explain? It's  ballpark and gives a good idea of what changes can occur. The before dyno fits inline with what a stock bike makes.  

No dyno is ever going to be truly accurate as humidity and temperature change. Same with weight and other conditions. Most people won't notice subtle differences in HP (myself included). It might matter for racing or on the drag strip.

This kit does bring the bike alive, but I don't think everyone will hit 50hp straight out of the box. I am happy with the power though, and having bigger numbers is just an ego boost for me and most.

Variance between the 2 units and the operator. Not to mention air quality and temps.

Did your tuner jet the bike once it broke in, in between Dyno runs?

[Eddie Sisneros]

UrbanTerror said:

Explain? It's  ballpark and gives a good idea of what changes can occur. The before dyno fits inline with what a stock bike makes.  

No dyno is ever going to be truly accurate as humidity and temperature change. Same with weight and other conditions. Most people won't notice subtle differences in HP (myself included). It might matter for racing or on the drag strip.

This kit does bring the bike alive, but I don't think everyone will hit 50hp straight out of the box. I am happy with the power though, and having bigger numbers is just an ego boost for me and most.

i have had 3 different dyno jet dyno's over my career of building drz's.

there was a 4hp total difference in what a stock drz showed on them.

my current dyno is the most conservative. a stock drz s/sm consistantly shows 32-33hp. my first dynojet was the most optimistic. showed 35-36. my last one right in the middle.

you must do before and after on the same dyno for the gains to be relative. period.

my bet is your previous set up on the second dyno is a 34hp.

simply removing the air box door while your bike was on the dyno would have gained 1-2hp with your current jetting.

[UrbanTerror TT Silver Member]

Bobbed06 said:

Variance between the 2 units and the operator. Not to mention air quality and temps.

Did your tuner jet the bike once it broke in, in between Dyno runs?

If you read what I wrote, I already explained a dyno will never be perfect. The bike won't have the same HP/torque throughout the year either. But does it really matter? It's a ballpark to see the general improvement.

The second run posted was a baseline to see where I need to be. I found out it's running a bit rich and ordered some new jets, we'll then throw in the different jets and run it through the dyno a few times to figure out which one works the best.

[UrbanTerror TT Silver Member]

Eddie Sisneros said:

i have had 3 different dyno jet dyno's over my career of building drz's.

there was a 4hp total difference in what a stock drz showed on them.

my current dyno is the most conservative. a stock drz s/sm consistantly shows 32-33hp. my first dynojet was the most optimistic. showed 35-36. my last one right in the middle.

you must do before and after on the same dyno for the gains to be relative. period.

my bet is your previous set up on the second dyno is a 34hp.

simply removing the air box door while your bike was on the dyno would have gained 1-2hp with your current jetting.

You seem to think the dyno I posted was the end-all-be-all post, am I gathering that correctly? I removed the dyno as it conflicts with your 50hp sales pitch.

As I said, a dyno is never going to be perfect and will change throughout the year. It's a gauge to determine general improvement for me, not as a definitive answer.

I went ahead and removed the dyno sheets as I did it to give everyone an idea what they might want to expect and never said it was perfect. I forgot this was a sales pitch though.

[Eddie Sisneros]

its 13-15hp gain.

simple as that.

[UrbanTerror TT Silver Member]

eddie sisneros said:

a stock drz s/sm consistantly shows 32-33hp

eddie sisneros said:

its 13-15hp gain.

Simple as that.

eddie sisneros said:

the ssw 50hp engine package!

32-33 + 13-15 = 45-48.

Simple as that.


Anyways, I'm happy with the power increase and the HP was to give me an idea and I was more concerned with A/F ratio. This isn't a FI bike and changes with humidity, temperature and other conditions.

Overall, your jetting was spot on and you did an excellent job for for not being here and I only have to make a few minor adjustments.

[Eddie Sisneros]

on my current dyno yes. like i said its very conservative.

says right in my first post in this thread it says 48-50hp.

some have seen 52hp on different dynos,but with no before run its irrelevant. its just a picture.

[DJFireUSA TT Bronze Member]

If you are going to treat dyno numbers with a grain of salt... why get them at all... you are putting variables in the equation thus your result is false.

To actually use the dyno numbers then you need to eliminate as many variables as possible or you are wasting your time, or at least are not using your time or money efficiently.

I think the biggest gripe is you are looking at this from, what appears to be, a typical average sport bike mentality where you don't really know or care enough to really dial in the machine, but you do care about bragging on your 48hp dizzr.

Perhaps i am off base but that's my view at this point.

If you were really trying to dial the bike in, do at least 3 runs to get an average and then make a change to the bike, do another three runs and so on. Keep as many possible variables as constant as you can which includes using the same dyno, even the same dyno operator if possible.

[iitreatedii Long Island's Nicest]

DJFireUSA said:

If you are going to treat dyno numbers with a grain of salt... why get them at all... you are putting variables in the equation thus your result is false.

To actually use the dyno numbers then you need to eliminate as many variables as possible or you are wasting your time, or at least are not using your time or money efficiently.

I think the biggest gripe is you are looking at this from, what appears to be, a typical average sport bike mentality where you don't really know or care enough to really dial in the machine, but you do care about bragging on your 48hp dizzr.

Perhaps i am off base but that's my view at this point.

If you were really trying to dial the bike in, do at least 3 runs to get an average and then make a change to the bike, do another three runs and so on. Keep as many possible variables as constant as you can which includes using the same dyno, even the same dyno operator if possible.

I'm normally not rude as you can check my hundreds of other posts but how are you going to put input in about this when just a few days ago after 2-3 people explained to you multiple times that the SSw was included...smh, I can't tell if your ignorant or just plain trolling to be blunt.  Eddie is trying to say every dyne is different.  You are going to get a 13-15 horsepower increase from stock.  Whether that dyne reads 32 at first or 300... Your end result will be 13-15 hp higher as long as you use the same dyne.  Am I wrong...

[Eddie Sisneros]

guys please,this was not the intention of this thread.

[DJFireUSA TT Bronze Member]

iitreatedii said:

I'm normally not rude as you can check my hundreds of other posts but how are you going to put input in about this when just a few days ago after 2-3 people explained to you multiple times that the SSw was included...smh, I can't tell if your ignorant or just plain trolling to be blunt.  Eddie is trying to say every dyne is different.  You are going to get a 13-15 horsepower increase from stock.  Whether that dyne reads 32 at first or 300... Your end result will be 13-15 hp higher as long as you use the same dyne.  Am I wrong...

Sorry you took my last post to heart. I was very careful how I worded it so you wouldn't take it as some kind of slam against you, which it was not.

To clarify the post you brought up... the op stated what was required to get 50hp. He did not state was was included in the 50hp package. Other people speaking for the op do not count as my quiry was directed to him and only an official answer from him would count since it is his kit.

Again, this is getting off topic. I was simply trying to clarify the point that unless you have some constant factors, your dyno numbers are meaningless in terms of a tuning perspective.. I am sorry you chose to take my last post as a personal attack but to respond with calling me ignorant or a troll is counter productive. You don't know me or my skill set or what I know so to judge me in a fit of emotional response is silly. I just joined this month so troll, I assure you, I am not.

To Eddie and the rest of the thread, sorry if my post got us off topic.

[the bartender TT Bronze Member]

DJFireUSA said:

If you are going to treat dyno numbers with a grain of salt... why get them at all... you are putting variables in the equation thus your result is false.

A dyno is only useful when you use the same dyno for all runs. and comparisons. Eddie knows this, and anyone with any experience knows this. Beyond that, its about the curve, and changes made to it, the numbers it spews out are meaningless.



Now let the mans' thread get back on track. This kit and service is exactly what most of us wanted, and are very happy to finally see offered as a package (and cheap at that).

[DJFireUSA TT Bronze Member]

the bartender said:

This kit and service is exactly what most of us wanted, and are very happy to finally see offered as a package (and cheap at that).

Agreed 110%. Tough to deal with down time right now though.

[iitreatedii Long Island's Nicest]

the bartender said:

A dyno is only useful when you use the same dyno for all runs. and comparisons. Eddie knows this, and anyone with any experience knows this. Beyond that, its about the curve, and changes made to it, the numbers it spews out are meaningless.

this is all I was trying to say...

[707drz A Legend in his own mind]

Let's stop the nonsense...keep on subject or I'm sure Eddie will bring the hammer down






If I can get my truck running good for the winter I might pull the trigger early and make this my winter project and sacrifice my rinsing season. I'll see how my Christmas bonus treats me in December.

[VTRDarren TT Silver Member]

Eddie already reworked my E-model suspension, I love the single cable quick-turn throttle and electrical system improvement, so why not add some HP next

[sniper_101 TT Bronze Member]

Just seen this thread, and thought I read the price wrong . . . so tempting, however I'm betting shipping alone from way up here will really suck.  Does anyone know if there is any way to get a shipping estimate?



This engine, plus modified suspension = one hell of a DRZ!

[npm]

sniper_101 said:

Just seen this thread, and thought I read the price wrong . . . so tempting, however I'm betting shipping alone from way up here will really suck.  Does anyone know if there is any way to get a shipping estimate?



This engine, plus modified suspension = one hell of a DRZ!

Call or send an email to Eddie, he'll know how much it is.

SSpeedWorks@gmail.com,call 303-485-1858

[Eddie Sisneros]

i have been getting reports of people getting crazy high shipping quotes from places like UPS store or Fed Ex sub contractors.

we can supply a shipping label via email and just ad it to the bill.

$65 covers shipping most any where in the lower 48.

all you gotta do is drop it off at any ups shipper.

[E.Marquez]

Eddie Sisneros said:

i have been getting reports of people getting crazy high shipping quotes from places like UPS store or Fed Ex sub contractors.

we can supply a shipping label via email and just ad it to the bill.

$65 covers shipping most any where in the lower 48.

all you gotta do is drop it off at any ups shipper.

The Local FED EX or UPS in town shippers are sub contractors, they set there own rates, can be anything they want as far as I can tell.. and, can surcharge as they see fit for packaging type, weight, anything......or just refuse to ship over xx weight, size, type shipping container.

Google search, find the shipping hub. They will have specified will call hours.. In the end it may be a drive, but will be cheaper, and they are shippers, a big heavy box or cooler is an every day deal.

After shipping my last two motors, never again will I use a subcontractor shipping store.