So, several company's are offering 2t bikes in their 2012 line up.
I always here 2t's are dead, and no their not. Blah blah blah.
I want a REAL answer from you experts, yes I know 2 strokes never really "died" but company's stopped producing them.
Are new technology being put into them? Why aren't we seeing fuel injected 2 strokes in bikes? They are more powerful and just as efficient as a 4 stroke.
The reason I'm asking, is because I am a large fan of 2 stroke engines.
So my question is, are 2 stroke engines coming back into production with newer technology?
Are 2 strokes coming back?
Started by
Whammy
, Jul 15 2011 04:07 PM
178 replies to this topic
Posted 15 July 2011 - 04:12 PM
Yes they are. KTM added linkage and many other big improvements to their 2 stroke line up. Also for 2012 Suzuki put their rm250 back on their website for the USA. Even though thats an 08 it means they will be sold in america again. There is also a rumor going around that the yamaha 2 strokes will be updated in 2013 and it was gonna be 2012 but it was delayed because of the tsunami. The technology isn't new yet... but if sales are good with the all of these 2 strokes, then more money will be invested in them and that is when you will see fuel injected or direct injected 2 strokes.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 04:17 PM
Bootsandrew said:
Yes they are. KTM added linkage and many other big improvements to their 2 stroke line up. Also for 2012 Suzuki put their rm250 back on their website for the USA. Even though thats an 08 it means they will be sold in america again. There is also a rumor going around that the yamaha 2 strokes will be updated in 2013 and it was gonna be 2012 but it was delayed because of the tsunami. The technology isn't new yet... but if sales are good with the all of these 2 strokes, then more money will be invested in them and that is when you will see fuel injected or direct injected 2 strokes.
Hell yeah! That's great to hear. We need our oil burners back.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 05:09 PM
Whammy said:
Hell yeah! That's great to hear. We need our oil burners back.
They never went anywhere, as long as it isn't red or green you can buy as many as you want. Consumer demand dropped on them.
At there current pace I would never buy one again. The thumpers kick to much ass.
Hence why we are on a forum called THUMPER talk, not two stroke talk
Posted 15 July 2011 - 05:26 PM
Really, engine technology is as good as its gonna get with MX bikes for the two strokes. Big changes wont come without making them as complex and expensive as a 4 stroke engine. Chassis development will catch up soon for the yamahas i believe.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 05:28 PM
Bootsandrew said:
Also for 2012 Suzuki put their rm250 back on their website for the USA. Even though thats an 08 it means they will be sold in america again.
That model has been on their website since 08, doesn't mean anything.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 05:29 PM
gscx said:
Really, engine technology is as good as its gonna get with MX bikes for the two strokes. Big changes wont come without making them as complex and expensive as a 4 stroke engine. Chassis development will catch up soon for the yamahas i believe.
I do agree on the just ride thing. I have nothing against 4 strokes, but I prefer 2 strokes.
Sorry:/
Posted 15 July 2011 - 05:39 PM
gscx said:
Really, engine technology is as good as its gonna get with MX bikes for the two strokes. Big changes wont come without making them as complex and expensive as a 4 stroke engine. Chassis development will catch up soon for the yamahas i believe.
This isn't true, to be as complex as a 4 stroke they'd need to be a 4 stroke. FI / DI does not make them as complex as a 4 stroke, only more complex than a regular 2 stroke.
I'd be really surprised if Yamaha updates the frames on the 2 stroke lineup. It would be nice, but they really need motor updates more than anything (the KTM, older CRs and RMs pumped out more HP than the Yamaha's). Time will tell though.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 05:57 PM
st0k3d said:
At there current pace I would never buy one again. The thumpers kick to much ass.
Hence why we are on a forum called THUMPER talk, not two stroke talk
Hence why we are on a forum called THUMPER talk, not two stroke talk
That explains why the forums go down from time to time
On a more serious note, yes they are coming back with KTM leading the way it would seem. Yamaha will take another bite at the apple soon enough with the updates and what not. Glad to hear RM will be selling again.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 06:43 PM
Well... ive been looking for a ktm 150sx and for a while now and everysingle dealer ive talked to has none
Posted 15 July 2011 - 07:22 PM
Whammy said:
Why aren't we seeing fuel injected 2 strokes in bikes?
Because it would be so damn good, they wont be able to sell any other bikes.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 08:39 PM
st0k3d said:
They never went anywhere, as long as it isn't red or green you can buy as many as you want. Consumer demand dropped on them.
At there current pace I would never buy one again. The thumpers kick to much ass.
Hence why we are on a forum called THUMPER talk, not two stroke talk
At there current pace I would never buy one again. The thumpers kick to much ass.
Hence why we are on a forum called THUMPER talk, not two stroke talk
Not true at all. The KX65 is still being made to this day.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 09:32 PM
SiXAXiS said:
Because it would be so damn good, they wont be able to sell any other bikes.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 11:03 PM
Two strokes never left, just thinned out. But as long as the factories have it their way, you'll never see one win a AMA supercross or AMA outdoor national. That would kill what they started with the thumpers.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 11:03 PM
Don't think they have ever left... Maybe left mainstream, but there's still plenty of pinger riders out there.
Posted 16 July 2011 - 12:53 AM
SubTexel said:
This isn't true, to be as complex as a 4 stroke they'd need to be a 4 stroke. FI / DI does not make them as complex as a 4 stroke, only more complex than a regular 2 stroke.
I'd be really surprised if Yamaha updates the frames on the 2 stroke lineup. It would be nice, but they really need motor updates more than anything (the KTM, older CRs and RMs pumped out more HP than the Yamaha's). Time will tell though.
I'd be really surprised if Yamaha updates the frames on the 2 stroke lineup. It would be nice, but they really need motor updates more than anything (the KTM, older CRs and RMs pumped out more HP than the Yamaha's). Time will tell though.
Lol thats true man,i have a 2001 honda cr250r strock,my freind has 2011 yamaha yz250 and we drag race all the time and my cr out accelarates his every time,hes always comes up with any excuse sayin mine is ported,but infact mines stock,he wants to back up his claims and wants to examine my cylinder ports next top end rebuild which is ok with me.He hates the fact my bikes 10ys older and it would b slower.So ur right older engines have more mongrel,my bike is completely stock and thats no bull!
