More snap please


39 replies to this topic
  • ttr250dude

Posted March 20, 2011 - 12:13 AM

#1

Is there any way to get more snap out of an '08 other than gearing changes? Thanks guys, bill804

  • dalonar

Posted March 20, 2011 - 05:46 AM

#2

06 cams, 06 cdi, exhaust, stronger wrist!

  • swaldrop

Posted March 20, 2011 - 07:51 AM

#3

Is there any way to get more snap out of an '08 other than gearing changes? Thanks guys, bill804


If you are running the stock exhaust, then an exhaust is what you need. Just about any aftermarket will help out a ton. I ran a stock '06 complete system on my '08 that I was able to get off of Ebay for super cheap and it was perfect. However, had I wanted to spend a little more I would have gotten the Dr D stainless system that I believe you can get for around $400.

  • ttr250dude

Posted March 20, 2011 - 01:18 PM

#4

06 cams, 06 cdi, exhaust, stronger wrist!


I know that the '06 cams and cdi really punch up the bottom end, but do they actually give it more 'snap'? I like the instantaneous throttle response or snap of a 250 2t. Im not trying to turn a 450 into a 250 2t, just looking for more snap.

  • skull1971

Posted March 20, 2011 - 06:14 PM

#5

No you won't get the hit of a 2 stroke no matter what you do, except maybe a super charger.

  • ttr250dude

Posted March 20, 2011 - 06:41 PM

#6

No you won't get the hit of a 2 stroke no matter what you do, except maybe a super charger.


I dont want it to hit as hard as a 2t, i just wanna make it hit harder than it does now. How much would a 12 tooth sprocket up front and a 52 tooth in back help?

  • Mr. Neutron

Posted March 20, 2011 - 06:47 PM

#7

Hmmm. I gotta agree with Skull1971 on this..... If you want the "snap" of a 2-stroke, you pretty much need to be riding a 2-stroke.....

I came off an older KTM 300. It had that "snap" you speak of. So much so that I rode it with a Steahly flywheel weight most of the time, and it still had the ability to get the front end up whenever it needed (for crossing logs & stuff like that). It acted like it was always on Viagra!

The 450 is still easier for me to ride, though. I do have to sorta "plan" my attack on log crossings a little bit more than I did with the smokin' KTM, but they're "doable". I'm hoping going up a tooth or two on the rear sprocket will help out even more..... :thumbsup:

Jimmie

  • ttr250dude

Posted March 20, 2011 - 06:59 PM

#8

If you want the "snap" of a 2-stroke, you pretty much need to be riding a 2-stroke


I do not want it to snap as hard as a 2 stroke. I want it to snap harder than it does now, but i dont want it to snap as hard as a 2 stroke.

  • Mr. Neutron

Posted March 20, 2011 - 07:59 PM

#9

Is your carburetion good? Any bogs? Getting your accel pump timing, pilot jet circuit, and leak jet all dialed in makes a HUGE diff in off-idle throttle response..... Think "Zip-Ty" carb mod.... :thumbsup:

Jimmie

  • ttr250dude

Posted March 20, 2011 - 08:16 PM

#10

My jetting is pretty much spot on for my elevation and muffler. 48 pilot, 2 1/4 turns out on fuel screw, and 165 main. I might switch to a 168 main and I'm gonna turn my fuel screw to 2 turns out. I use 100% gas, nothing oxygenated.

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  • Gunner354

Posted March 20, 2011 - 08:18 PM

#11

An aftermarket pipe is a must. The 06 cdi helps a lot. I would start there.

  • skull1971

Posted March 21, 2011 - 03:30 AM

#12

A lot of good points here, the FMF exhaust works great for me, and a couple others I ride with. Plus the 2006 CDI and cams seems to be a hot trick. I have a 13/52 set up on my bike now, and I ran out of top end in 5th, so a 12 front would be a killer, or you could just ride trials. BUT here's the kicker,, $1000 for FMF, $700 for Hot Cams, and CDI,all on a 2008 bike. Why not save up some more cash and get a 2010-11 fuel injected, that has more grunt off the bottom?

  • DPW

Posted March 21, 2011 - 09:17 AM

#13

An aftermarket pipe is a must. The 06 cdi helps a lot. I would start there.


^^^^ I agree with the exhaust system, haven't tried the cdi yet...

  • akfreerider

Posted March 21, 2011 - 09:19 AM

#14

slip that clutch for a second and see if it snaps..

  • ttr250dude

Posted March 21, 2011 - 10:51 AM

#15

I've already got a Lexx endcap that removes one of the cones and has a bigger outlet. I'm not gonna spend $$ on a muffler that will give me less than 1 hp more compared to the setup i have now.

  • Gunner354

Posted March 21, 2011 - 11:45 AM

#16

A lot of good points here, the FMF exhaust works great for me, and a couple others I ride with. Plus the 2006 CDI and cams seems to be a hot trick. I have a 13/52 set up on my bike now, and I ran out of top end in 5th, so a 12 front would be a killer, or you could just ride trials. BUT here's the kicker,, $1000 for FMF, $700 for Hot Cams, and CDI,all on a 2008 bike. Why not save up some more cash and get a 2010-11 fuel injected, that has more grunt off the bottom?


A pipe is around $500 and an 06 cdi can be found for $40. No need to remove stock cams. Most people buy a pipe anyways.

  • MXKyle

Posted March 21, 2011 - 12:02 PM

#17

I've already got a Lexx endcap that removes one of the cones and has a bigger outlet. I'm not gonna spend $$ on a muffler that will give me less than 1 hp more compared to the setup i have now.


I had an '08 and now I have an '09. The pipe is crap. You can't fix it so don't waste your time.

Don't be fooled by thinking the pipe is to gain that one horsepower because it's not. The stock pipe has plenty but it's in the wrong place causing it to feel soft or sluggish on the bottom end. The aftermarket pipes move the hit to the bottom where it's a lot more exciting.

Forget everything else and bite the bullet for a new pipe. I tried the Dr. D but run the stock '06 pipe for the cost because I couldn't tell the difference between them when riding.

--KT--

  • ttr250dude

Posted March 23, 2011 - 06:57 PM

#18

I had an '08 and now I have an '09. The pipe is crap. You can't fix it so don't waste your time.

Don't be fooled by thinking the pipe is to gain that one horsepower because it's not. The stock pipe has plenty but it's in the wrong place causing it to feel soft or sluggish on the bottom end. The aftermarket pipes move the hit to the bottom where it's a lot more exciting.

Forget everything else and bite the bullet for a new pipe. I tried the Dr. D but run the stock '06 pipe for the cost because I couldn't tell the difference between them when riding.

--KT--


The pipe in stock form is crap. The Lexx endcap removes the long tube, the most restrctive cone of the 2, and has a larger outlet. If you think a PMB or Lexx endcap doesnt increase performance, you obviously havent used one yourself and/or have never read reveiws on them.. The Lexx endcap does in fact make a very noticeable difference.

  • dalonar

Posted March 23, 2011 - 07:08 PM

#19

you seem pissed someone would say to put an exhaust on....plain and simple your endcap will not be the same as a full exhaust. alot of advice has been given and you seem to shoot it all down, i'm confused as to what you want to do? spend some cash get some low end, don't spend some cash and complain about the hit down low.....seems to me you have 2 options

  • ttr250dude

Posted March 24, 2011 - 12:05 AM

#20

you seem pissed someone would say to put an exhaust on....plain and simple your endcap will not be the same as a full exhaust. alot of advice has been given and you seem to shoot it all down, i'm confused as to what you want to do? spend some cash get some low end, don't spend some cash and complain about the hit down low.....seems to me you have 2 options


Im not pissed off that people are suggesting a full exhaust. I dont have $600+ for a full exhaust anyway. I was saying that $250 for a new muffler isnt money well spent considering my current muffler setup. Also, i have agreed to the suggestion of re-gearing and i agree with the suggestion of using an '06 cdi.





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