WR450 or KTM450exc ?
Posted August 06, 2003 - 02:59 AM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 03:14 AM
I am very happy with my Yamaha!
Good luck with your decision!
Posted August 06, 2003 - 07:02 AM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 07:12 AM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 07:20 AM
In summary, I find myself "fighting the high center of gravity & 260 pounds of weight" on the WR as the day progresses on more technical tracks. On the other hand, the KTM seems a lot easier/fun to ride when fatigue starts setting in...goggles are fogged up, bike is covered in heavy clay, and the trail starts to narrow and get more difficult (Big time buyer's remorse that I didn't get the KTM). I used to think it was the high quality components (bars, clutch, etc.) that made the KTM "feel" easier to ride later in the day. However, after putting equivilent components on the WR, I'm conviced it is the high center of gravity (top heavy) feeling of the WR that I am battling.
Then it happens again... a nice cool Saturday morning... natural terrain moto-cross trail on top of the WR450... flying and smiling ear-to-ear as the awesome Yami suspension and motor make me feel like I'm 19 again.
It's a tough decision, but I'm not getting any younger...therefore, if I could do it again...and I had $1,000 in my pocket...I'd pick the KT :thinking:M.
Posted August 06, 2003 - 07:34 AM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 07:35 AM
His bike sucks and he can barely keep up. He always breaks down and always sits on trail and starts crying. I don't know what to do to comfort him.
Just kiddin ya DP400. Actually the KTM's are really nice and to tell you the truth, I can't keep up with him no matter how hard I try. Just the same, I think he would be just as fast on a WR but unfortunately or fortunately for me, he doesn't ride one.
You won't be sorry either way. If your bank account can afford it why not spend the extra money on KTM and be happy? Oh ya, because the WR is the best enduro bike out there and cheaper!
Posted August 06, 2003 - 08:32 AM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 10:05 AM
The EXC feels much lighter and does not tire me out nearly as much in the woods. In wide open riding areas the Yamaha had slightly better suspension, but then again the EXC has a 6 speed transmission.
I am more satisfied with the KTM EXC because of the convenience that nothing more than handguards were installed to make it ready to ride and it has more versatility for a broad range of conditions. Overall, the bike fits me better with the adjustable bar perches (I'm 6'2" tall). The use of lighter aluminum stand, sprocket, bars, and muffler, and then juice clutch make a difference. No regrets here.
Posted August 06, 2003 - 02:33 PM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 02:59 PM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 04:27 PM
I'm also an over 40, novice rider, and traded my XR400 for a WR450 this year. I loved my XR, and was worried the WR might be to much bike after I ordered it. The XR was so easy to ride, and made those 100 mile days a joy.
I don't miss it.
While the WR feels heavier in the tight stuff(and feels heavier lifting on to a stand ), the stability more than makes up for it. At speed, the WR is way more stable even without a steering damper than the XR was with one. I could instantly blow by guys in sand washes that I was afraid to pass on the XR. Even in tighter terrain, although not as flickable, the WR is more stable in turns, so faster. In real tight rocky stuff, the supension is better, so I feel it's a wash.
Plus, if you do stall, the e-button saves you so much energy, that it's more than worth the extra weight.
And the POWER... like a rheostat. Don't believe the magazines. I don't notice a "hit." Like the XR, just dial in as much as you want, but there is a lot more on tap. I find myself having a ball 'steering' with the back wheel in sweepers. Very controllable.
Can you tell I'm in love with this bike? I can't speak for KTM, but if you go blue, I don't think you'll be dissapointed. It definately ups the fun factor.
And in Utah, it's like sex, all day long.
(but ditch the 739's, especially the front)
Posted August 06, 2003 - 04:34 PM
1. Larger and local dealer support.
2. Availability of OEM parts @ 20% off retail.
3. At least $1300 less out the door.
4. "My" decision on the "extras" to set up "my" bike.
It's a win/win situation. Evaluate your personal needs and how/where you plan to ride. Pick the bike, set it up right, go ride and don't look over your shoulder.
Posted August 06, 2003 - 06:17 PM
OK - maybe I do know him
All's I can say is thank god he doesn't ride a KTM !! Then he would be really fast
Posted August 06, 2003 - 08:03 PM
Posted August 06, 2003 - 10:09 PM
Posted August 07, 2003 - 01:30 AM
What amuses me is the fact that a lot (not saying you) guys brag that they have done 500miles with no failure. Wow, when I buy a new bike, and I look after it, I expect 1000's of trouble free miles (I exclude wear and tear). What do you think the 03 bikes resale value will be when many are engine time bombs? You try convincing a buyer that it only happens to other WR's, but not the one you are trying to sell.
My bike has not failed and I've done about 500km (arent I grateful), but I've already had to tow 2 other WR's home. Good odds hey, 50% of people I know personally have had problems.
It is a great performance machine. I just dont like this axe hanging over my head everytime I go for a ride - Will I make it back or not.
Until Yamaha fix this problem permanently, I have a hard time recommending the bike over the KTM450
Posted August 07, 2003 - 07:13 AM
I purposely was slightly antagonistic to draw out the insecure
Posted August 07, 2003 - 08:08 AM
4,283 miles on my 03 WR450. All dirt miles! Altitudes from 700 feet to over 10,000 feet! Never had woodruff issue or had preventitive repair done to it! Reliability has been awesome! Nothing has failed other than normal crash damage:
all body panels, head light, ignition button, header, clutch cable, hot start cable, throttle tube. Service:
Oil change every 200 miles, oil filters every 600 miles , one valve clearance service at 3000 miles, fork oil change at 3000 miles, steering head & swing arm and suspension linkage lubrication every 1000 miles, new chain and sprockets at 4000 miles, 6th set of rear tires, 3rd set on front tires, spokes adjusted twice to true up rims. Want to go riding?