Differences between wr 426 and xr650 ???
Posted July 09, 2003 - 05:32 AM
Sorry you've had a bad experience with the KTM's. I have quite a few buddies that have them and have no more problems than any other bikes, my friends XR650 included.
Like you, I have very strong feelings about which brand bike to buy. I'm die hard Honda and this WR was a very difficult choice for me but it has been an awesome bike and very reliable. I had an XR400 before that and it's worlds better. I'm still waiting for the CRF450 or CRF250 and I'll sell the WR at that time.
OldOutdoorsMan, to address your issue of me never having ridden an XR650R, here goes. I bought an XR400 after 20+ years of riding 2-stroke 250's and 500's. Had it a year and was riding with my friend with the XR650R and decided I needed something with more suspension, power, etc. I rode his bike extensively in many situations. Tight gnarly single track trails, wide open fireroads, 13,000+ feet trails, Moab type slick rock and wide open sand washes in Moab. I almost bought this bike. It was just too much weight for me over a long day. We both like to ride very aggressively all day and I just notice that I get a lot more tired on the big XR.
Even out in the open where the XR650R shines, I still like the WR better because there is less weight and better suspension. For ME this is a better bike. Outdoorsman, have you ridden a WR?
Carlisle, one other thing to consider is that the WR will have many interchangeable parts with your 250.
I just noticed that you are in Fort Collins, we should get together before you buy a new bike and you can ride both of them. That should give you the best info.
Posted July 09, 2003 - 07:50 AM
Give the KLR a little respect. I rode one from San Francisco all the way to the tip of South America without a single problem. It is a solid bike.
So I feel compelled to chime in on this pissing contest. I have several thousand miles on my 650 and can't say enough great things about it. I just lost my engine, true, but that was not the bikes fault. I have also ridden a WR426 quite a bit, a few local races and also just around the block.
As you can tell by the myriad of bikes that I own, that I am sworn to fun and loyal to none. I think that I can hopefully give a non-biased opinion on both bikes.
From what I gathered about both of these bikes is the following:
WR- Is much lighter in the front end than the xr, which allows it to handle a little better in soft stuff.
XR- Much more solid ride. Bike feels much safer and smooth at higher speeds.
XR- The bike will go just about anywhere you can get the front tire to go.
WR- This bike is also a flat tracking machine. It does not mind the slick corners, but rather devours them.
WR- Can be used on a motocross track without a problem and actually do pretty well.
XR- Can be used on a motocross track with appropriate suspensions mods and a good rider and do alright. Another plus is that it draws a lot more attention when racing on a motocross track.
XR- I have taken the bike on some really techical trails and done just fine. It is heavier, but really quite a nimble bike as long as you know how to work it right. If you get tired riding it, then you should go to the gym more often or at least work on your cardio a little. You'll be surprised at how much of a better rider you will be.
XR- Can't be beat in the desert.
WR- Geared properly can keep up with just about any bike and sometimes even faster than some.
XR- Geared properly it cannot be beat.
XR- Properly maintained, you cannot break it.
XR- Maintenance is pretty easy, with exeption of the plugs, which are out of sight.
WR- Need tools to clean filter.
XR- Softer seat.
Anyhow, these are just my two cents worth. Feel free to add on if you like. I am sure that there are more advantages and disadvantages for both.
Posted July 09, 2003 - 09:19 AM
Let's face it. they are heavy. But I've seen big guys ride them and make them look like 125's. They are also an excellent DP mount.
Posted July 09, 2003 - 09:48 AM
I've never ridden the XR650R so I have no experience with one. I have heard that they are blistering fast on the straight but they're difficult to "throw around" on the tight and twisty stuff...
I'd say no. Last year, I had opportunity to race one, and when you give it gas, that bike rears up and dances much easier and nimbly than it gets credit for. I really fell in love with it for wide open spaces; Those obstacles that you don't dance around can be mowed right over.
A very nice balance if you ask me, and not a pig like we all like to call it.
Here was our race bike for Baja1000, 2002.
This Campbell dude had one too, and they wanted me to pop some wheelies on it to make sure that it was set-up right, but I was pretty busy for that.
Then that Campbell guy started buddy-punching all his friends, asking them "Is that that Brandon Whallon guy?" Next thing I know, he is asking if he can have his picture with me? Gotta keep it real with the fans...
And here is me hopping on the pig! Got a little dust on the lens, but I did have a huge grin on my face!
We took 7th in the Sportsman class!
Posted July 09, 2003 - 10:12 AM
The reason people are adding some woods comments in relates to the fact that in the original post, Carlisle states "Would keep my wr250 for tight stuff and xr650 for dessert and open but maybee if its great everywhere just using the xr." Because of this statement, people are letting him know that it can be a handfull to ride this bike in tight woods. If he is considering this bike for all of his riding, the woods opinions are very relavent.
In addition to having experience on both bikes, I also live in the same town as he does and more than likely ride very similar terrain if not the same trails.
Carlisle, the offer is still open to try and get together so you can ride both bikes since we are all in Fort Fun. I'll be out of town soon for a week so we'll just need to work out the details. I'm sure my buddy won't mind if you take a spin on his XR650R. If you are interested, PM me sometime.
Posted July 09, 2003 - 10:21 AM
Posted July 09, 2003 - 10:28 AM
Are you guys going to race the 1000 again this year?
I sure hope so! My girlfriend speaks fluent Espanole, but she did not get to go because she had other obligations. She is hounding me to go again!
What other Baja races have you raced?
Nada. When I hopped on that bike, I had a total of 1 race under my belt, and it was a DNF!
I now am a seasoned racer (6 races, I think ) and looking for more!
Posted July 09, 2003 - 11:24 AM
Posted July 09, 2003 - 01:37 PM
This bitch pulls HARD!
It sure does.. Don't you love it? I thought I was going to be dissapointed after I sold my cr500 for the xr, but the xr is an amazing bike. I like to scare myself with it.
Posted July 09, 2003 - 05:59 PM
I really liked my YZ426, but since it didn't have a lighting coil, I finally got bored just riding it "off road only". Sure, you can pay a small fortune for a lighting coil, but when someone says, hey man, I have a '00 650R for sale for 3700 with only a hundred miles on it, then yeah, I'm gonna buy that. Also, it works great in the mountains.
One last thought; Is that Old man confused or something? This post has been a lot of fun and why is he trying to grade everyone's replies ? That seems odd.
Posted July 11, 2003 - 09:51 AM
The WR's low end is not smooth and the bike is easy to stall in technical spots. This is due to the advanced timing and lighter rotating mass in the new 4-stroke engines. I think that this is a big reason the auto clutches are getting so popular.
The second is durability. The engines have been solid on all my yamahas but the light weight pieces on the bike are fragile and I have added every protection devise known to man. I am sure my bike now weighs almost as much as a DRZe now.
Oh yeah an XR 650 is probably the best D/S candidate on the planet.
Posted July 17, 2003 - 10:18 AM
Posted July 17, 2003 - 02:02 PM
As for backin into the yamaha dealer, Go to proline motorsports in saskatoon, saskatchewan and back into the front window, make sure you dont hit the binders until you are in the showroom though, wouldnt want them to have to come out and get the bike from the parking lot , they really enjoy screwing their customers.
Posted July 17, 2003 - 06:04 PM
My bike never broke the hub, but it did have an oil leak as a result of faulty casting of the crankcase. I sold the bike immediately. Then, I found an '83 DR500 for $400 bucks, and rode that until I could find an XR650R or an XR600. I found a 650R, and I'm glad I did. I've been riding it now for almost two years, and it's been very reliable, and just as powerful as the YZ was. Plus now it's a dual sport, and it's great! The old DR sits in my garage as a second bike for any friends who want to ride but can't handle "real" power like the 650R.
Posted July 18, 2003 - 07:58 AM
Posted July 19, 2003 - 08:52 PM
The WR426 is a lighter and quicker handling bike that might not be as stable as the XR but I feel it's more suitable for more types of terrain. The WR in my opinion is a jack of all trades kind of bike. The WR doesn't weigh 245lbs either, it's more like 265 trust me I've had three of these bikes and I have a really accurate scale... And I want to say that the XR is pushing 300lbs.
As far as speed goes, my WR426 out-ran every one of my friends XR's with power up mods when it came to top-end, the WR450 goes even faster. Both bikes will do just fine, but I can't imagine ever buying a new 4 stroke without an electric starter. KTM had it right from the get go...
Posted July 20, 2003 - 06:57 AM
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