2000 rm 250 jetting


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  • jonnyukon

Posted 13 October 2010 - 10:52 PM

#21

155 main, 3rd clip on the needle, 42 pilot, 3 turns or 18 clicks on the choker knob
an with the cooler weather today  the bog was way worse....ill get a fresh plug tomorrow but not the 30 bux one...

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  • jackson409

Posted 14 October 2010 - 05:49 AM

#22

jonnyukon said:

155 main, 3rd clip on the needle, 42 pilot, 3 turns or 18 clicks on the choker knob
an with the cooler weather today  the bog was way worse....ill get a fresh plug tomorrow but not the 30 bux one...

Okay, mine is an 01 and might be different jetting but this where I am and my only issue is I am a little lean on the bottom but no bog at all. I have 46 pilot, 162 main, last clip on the needle 12 clicks out and 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 turns on the air screw depending on the temp.

Another thing where do you have your power valve adjuster set. I know I played with mine once and found by turning it in too much it ran like a turd. so I have mine set at just enough tension on the spring to keep it from the valve from flopping around loose.

  • jonnyukon

Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:54 AM

#23

jackson409 said:

Okay, mine is an 01 and might be different jetting but this where I am and my only issue is I am a little lean on the bottom but no bog at all. I have 46 pilot, 162 main, last clip on the needle 12 clicks out and 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 turns on the air screw depending on the temp.

Another thing where do you have your power valve adjuster set. I know I played with mine once and found by turning it in too much it ran like a turd. so I have mine set at just enough tension on the spring to keep it from the valve from flopping around loose.

the pv is at one turn of tension like the manual says .... so the bog is a rich condition right?

  • jackson409

Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:49 AM

#24

jonnyukon said:

the pv is at one turn of tension like the manual says .... so the bog is a rich condition right?

I would try to move the needle clip up. It leans out the bike from the 1/4 to full throttle. If that doesn't help it might not be a rich condition it might be a fuel starve condition so I would look at the float height. You say you can creep up slowly to full throttle right...so if you hammer it and it bogs there might not be enough fuel in the bowl to supply the jets. get my meaning?

  • Booger2

Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:59 AM

#25

Which needle do you have in it?


Booger2

  • jonnyukon

Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:48 AM

#26

Booger2 said:

Which needle do you have in it?


Booger2

n3wk is the stock needle

  • jonnyukon

Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:51 AM

#27

jackson409 said:

I would try to move the needle clip up. It leans out the bike from the 1/4 to full throttle. If that doesn't help it might not be a rich condition it might be a fuel starve condition so I would look at the float height. You say you can creep up slowly to full throttle right...so if you hammer it and it bogs there might not be enough fuel in the bowl to supply the jets. get my meaning?

yea i ordered a float level tool a week ago im still waiting for it ...yea imma check my fuel tank strainer too...hey how hot does ur bike run... say at the top of the rads ir on the cylinder head? any ideas?

  • jackson409

Posted 14 October 2010 - 12:17 PM

#28

jonnyukon said:

yea i ordered a float level tool a week ago im still waiting for it ...yea imma check my fuel tank strainer too...hey how hot does ur bike run... say at the top of the rads ir on the cylinder head? any ideas?

My bike gets good and warm but you can't fry a egg on it or nothing.

  • jonnyukon

Posted 14 October 2010 - 12:49 PM

#29

jackson409 said:

My bike gets good and warm but you can't fry a egg on it or nothing.

can u touch the top of ur rad tanks after riding?

  • jackson409

Posted 14 October 2010 - 05:16 PM

#30

I don't know, I never really tried. I got my solenoid today,,,whoo hoo. I am in the woods this weekend hunting. next weekend I ride and will let you now how it goes with the new part and check the heat.

  • Booger2

Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:04 AM

#31

I'm wondering if you have the Bypass open too far.

On page 4-4 of the owners manual there is a Caution! If the bypass (starter) is opened excessively, engine trouble such as poor response and abnormal detonation may be caused. "Use a setting position between full close to two turns. Standard is two turns (12 clicks)

I'm currently running mine at 8 clicks. I came in from 12 clicks the other day when my bike seemed a little lean on the low end.

.02


Booger2

Edited by Booger2, 15 October 2010 - 09:22 AM.


  • Booger2

Posted 16 October 2010 - 09:37 AM

#32

Did some more searching and came up with what I had thought but couldn't find easily.
Again, I think your bog is caused by a too lean condition that you may adjust out with the Bypass valve.
Confusion comes in when prior to that, (I owned a '96 RMX) that same knob adjusted idle!

Quote

Yamajeb10-31-2008, 11:35 PM
I talked to a carb parts distributor and here's what I've learned. Indeed it's another way to adjust air/fuel mixture at lower throttle openings. Effectively you can adjust (turn) this knob and get a change similar to the airscrew adjustment. Note I state similar, not the same because apparently it impacts a slightly larger throttle range opening from zero to just under half-throttle. Overall, it works WITH the pilot or slow circuit.

The parts guy said the idea with the thing was in concept a great idea. The problem was that too many people were confused by it and didn't use it correctly so on newer models they discontinued it's use.

So I 'sperimented. After I warmed the bike up pretty well I changed it by three clicks at a time (BTW 45 pilot jet and at these temps A/S is a little less than 1.5 turns out so slow jetting is fairly good). My test was to get it going only fast enough to keep from stalling in 2nd then wick it open fairly quickly. I started out at what I'll call the baseline at 12 clicks out from completely clockwise (two full turns out).

From baseline I tested after three clicks out (2.5 turns out total), six clicks out (3 turns out total), nine clicks out (3.5 turns out total). I noticed improved throttle response at six clicks out from baseline but at nine clicks out it was starting to develop a little bit of what I'll call a lean bog, not bad but noticeable when I wicked it open quickly. Snap was best at six clicks out from baseline.

Then back from baseline three clicks in (1.5 turns out total), six clicks in (1 turn out total). No need to go any further because throttle response was breaking up.

In effect by turning it out (CCW) I was leaning out the pilot circuitry and by turning it in (CW) I was richening things.

Tried one more test. I got enough momentum to motor along in 3rd gear on a slight incline then tried wicking the throttle. This helped to gauge the difference without having to fight to keep the front wheel down. Best response about 6 clicks out.

Please note that there may very well be older models or other bikes that use the choke knob in a different way or it may be a different design - built in idle adjust or something . . .

but if you have the stock carb on an '01 or '02 250 and your pilot is jetted well this knob ought to give you some easy tuning - give it a try!! I'll be fiddling with it for sure, beats fooling with a little tweeker on the A/S.

All the credit goes to Yamajeb, :smirk:

Booger2

  • jonnyukon

Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:12 PM

#33

kewl thank u ...

  • jackson409

Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:05 AM

#34

jonnyukon said:

kewl thank u ...

I finally got my solenoid replace and it took care of my pinging as well.:excuseme:

  • Vankaye

Posted 18 October 2010 - 07:45 AM

#35

jackson409 said:

I finally got my solenoid replace and it took care of my pinging as well.:excuseme:

What about the pulsing?  Is that gone too??

  • jackson409

Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:14 AM

#36

Vankaye said:

What about the pulsing?  Is that gone too??

Nope, I forgot to mention that. I still have it. I am guessing that the seal on the clutch side must be leaking??? I am going to try a new set of reeds and richen the choke knob down. I have it already turned it in at 8 clicks now. Didn't seem to make much of a differenct from 12 clicks. I figure I will run it in another four and see what it does.

  • Vankaye

Posted 19 October 2010 - 04:29 AM

#37

jackson409 said:

Nope, I forgot to mention that. I still have it. I am guessing that the seal on the clutch side must be leaking??? I am going to try a new set of reeds and richen the choke knob down. I have it already turned it in at 8 clicks now. Didn't seem to make much of a differenct from 12 clicks. I figure I will run it in another four and see what it does.

I did a leakdown test on mine and absolutely could not find the leak with soapy water.  It's definitely not holding air.  With the amount of smoking I had I am convinced it's the case gasket
leaking/sucking from the transmission.   When I first built this bike I used mis-matched cases - right side is the original '00 and I replaced the left side with a '96 case from Ebay.
I found a set of matching cases on ebay for 150, so I bought 'em.  This time I'm sending the crank out for rebuild and replate-ing the cylinder.  A total rebuild done right.  That should fix the damn thing!!

  • jackson409

Posted 19 October 2010 - 04:57 AM

#38

Vankaye said:

I did a leakdown test on mine and absolutely could not find the leak with soapy water.  It's definitely not holding air.  With the amount of smoking I had I am convinced it's the case gasket
leaking/sucking from the transmission.   When I first built this bike I used mis-matched cases - right side is the original '00 and I replaced the left side with a '96 case from Ebay.
I found a set of matching cases on ebay for 150, so I bought 'em.  This time I'm sending the crank out for rebuild and replate-ing the cylinder.  A total rebuild done right.  That should fix the damn thing!!

are you losing trans oil? I mean when you put 850ml in are getting that back out when you drain it? I need to check that myself. I just recently changed mine and forgot to check it. I haven't been riding enough to check it now. I am going to ride the piss out if and then check it. I did put exactly 750ml in this time. 01 takes 750ml whereas 00 takes 850ml I believe.

  • Vankaye

Posted 19 October 2010 - 10:10 AM

#39

I haven't measured it.  The exhaust smells like burnt motor oil rather than sweet 2 cycle.  I've never been comfortable with the mis-matched cases anyways.  Found a matching set for $150 and junped on it.  Plus, it won't hold air for even a few seconds on the leakdown test.

  • jackson409

Posted 19 October 2010 - 11:39 AM

#40

Vankaye said:

I haven't measured it.  The exhaust smells like burnt motor oil rather than sweet 2 cycle.  I've never been comfortable with the mis-matched cases anyways.  Found a matching set for $150 and junped on it.  Plus, it won't hold air for even a few seconds on the leakdown test.

Mine does smell good, I am chaging mine to Klotz to see if that helps I am running spectrum and hear it has a bad rep for spooge. IDK




 
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