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[Jeezo TT Bronze Member]

ya, it's whatever, I'm just playing devils advocate.

I don't understand what you mean "it's still a dude welding the frame"? Someone welds the frame whether it's an extruded alum upper on a cast lower or forged or stamped steel sections together.

Tm and aprilia are small manufacturers using aluminum frames. you're right it's a trend not a rule.

[motoxgiant TT Member]

phastasbananas, on 12 February 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Thanks I guess

I still count KTM as a small time manufacturer, so of course they have steel frames. But they are getting bigger, so maybe a Aluframe KTM is coming soon
Which kwaks use steel frames? The 85's do...and some roadbikes that shall not be named in these forums.
And the GasGas is chrome-moly. Some parts of the frame is stamped, but still it is a dude who has welded that frame. Of course there will be manufacturers who take a different road compared to my statement, but in general it's mostly true. I also think that making a switch from manufacturing one to the other is difficult, part of the experience you do have with the material, part that it will be very expensive and you mess up, it's the last mess up you make.
Sorry for the big pic - but the new GasGas sure looks very nice.

Gosh that looks beautiful! Can't wait for the first one to arrive in just a couple of days, but then the OSSA is only a handful of months after that ...

[Nathax TT Newbie]

motoxgiant, on 17 February 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

but then the OSSA is only a handful of months after that ...

Have you been given any updated information when you will receive them in the states?.
I spoke to a dealer down under here and he stated they were probably still 12 month away, but even that isn't confirmed. Apparently the OSSA factory isnt givng much away on delivery dates.

[YHGEORGE TT Gold Member]

At least. Still basically a test bed.

[DEMI TT Platinum Member]

I was told late '12 for mine... Possibly early '13. OSSA is well aware of the impact this bike may have and wants it to be right... Before release. I want mine now, but will happily wait for a finished product.

[motoxgiant TT Member]

Nathax, on 17 February 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Have you been given any updated information when you will receive them in the states?.
I spoke to a dealer down under here and he stated they were probably still 12 month away, but even that isn't confirmed. Apparently the OSSA factory isnt givng much away on delivery dates.

I suppose it depends on how big your hands are . Just back from the dealer show and while the first batch of protos are on schedule for the fall of 2012, it doesn't look like consumers can expect to see a finished Ossa enduro bike until late summer/early fall of 2013. That being said, if it's even close to being as well-fitted as the trials bikes that were on display it will be worth the wait.

[rebelyell TT Silver Member]

I'd love to see an affordable 2 smoker:D

[DaveI TT Titanium Member]

This is a question...not a statement...
How do you add an aftermarket tank to bike with EFI?
Isn't there something in the tank that supports the EFI...
I mean an aftermarket (usually larger) gas tank is something
many people add to their bike...Isn't this problematic with
a bike that has EFI?

[YHGEORGE TT Gold Member]

You remove the fuel pump from the original tank and install it in the new larger capacity purpose built tank.

[DaveI TT Titanium Member]

So aftermarket tank manufacturers are already building tanks that can have the fuel pump installed (Acerbis, IMS, Clark, etc.)?

YHGEORGE, on 26 February 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

You remove the fuel pump from the original tank and install it in the new larger capacity purpose built tank.

[MarkBevans TT Bronze Member]

yes aftermarket tank manufacturers are making tanks for efi bikes, IMS is doing it for Aprilia's and presently for KTM's this year......

[DaveI TT Titanium Member]

Oh...News to me...Guess I'm behind the times on EFI...Have to admit I'd love to have that OSSA but for me I'd have to have a bigger tank on it from the start...
IMHO since Ossa is taking their time they ought to have an optional larger tank for it concurrent with it's public debut...Puny tanks are a turn off for anybody
using it for off-road (non-racing) purposes...They should take a page from KTM and the fact that a lot of money is made by selling performance parts and upgrades
not just in initial sales...I'd love to see Ossa succeed in the market...As well as Maico...And it would be wonderful if Can-Am started building real motorcycles again and not
just toys...I'd love to see all the European bike manufacturers make a comeback that existed when I was racing in the 70s...I've grown bored of Japanese motorcycles...
Hey how about a new PUCH Motocross bike...Remember that one...WICKED!!!

MarkBevans, on 27 February 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

yes aftermarket tank manufacturers are making tanks for efi bikes, IMS is doing it for Aprilia's and presently for KTM's this year......

[MrKartoom TT Bronze Member]

Jeezo, on 11 February 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

. . . Plus an xr200 is super boring to ride. . .

That's an opinion and not a fact. Personally I wouldn't really care to own one of these, but I know a national caliber rider that does and he can blow the doors off most wannabes with their state of the art weapons in the woods on it. Present company included and failed miserably. My point is I seriously doubt his ride up front on that xr is anything but boring lol.

I used to own a 71 Pioneer and I am excited about Ossa's comeback. I thought they were gone forever. I'd love to ride the new enduro and wish them all the best. Now if CZ, DKW, and Hodaka could just make a comeback I could revisit my youth in entirety!

Edited by MrKartoom, 02 March 2012 - 07:56 PM.

[Jeezo TT Bronze Member]

MrKartoom, on 02 March 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

That's an opinion and not a fact. Personally I wouldn't really care to own one of these, but I know a national caliber rider that does and he can blow the doors off most wannabes with their state of the art weapons in the woods on it. Present company included and failed miserably. My point is I seriously doubt his ride up front on that xr is anything but boring lol.

I used to own a 71 Pioneer and I am excited about Ossa's comeback. I thought they were gone forever. I'd love to ride the new enduro and wish them all the best. Now if CZ, DKW, and Hodaka could just make a comeback I could revisit my youth in entirety!

oh I agree, it's def my opinion, but I would think most people would prefer to ride a better performing machine, as I do. If your skill limits you to an x lap time and you could do it in almost the same time in say a miata, but you could do it in a supercar, most of us will choose the supercar.

I also agree that there are major exceptions to the trend and some riders excel on a simpler machine, essentially an older machine.

But either way, the new bikes are here and they are very powerful, lightweight, tough, and handle like second nature. I love it dudes, and I think this new OSSA is another big step in taking that to the next level.

[drzadam TT Bronze Member]

My question is not just about the Ossa but the Ossa brought it to my attention. Why aren't all the mfg's who run electric starters on dirt bikes (bikes that are supposed to be light!) doing it the way Ossa is now... that is, rather than having a separate starter motor and assembly to turn the crank, they run the generator as a motor (which it IS also a motor on all bikes...) and use that as the starter. Then all you have to add is a lightweight Li polymer battery and you have e-start for a weight gain of less than 2 lbs. I understand there are some physical differences between a starter and a gen, but Ossa and Kokusan have worked that out and they have a ACG / Starter as one unit!

[huskyfrk TT Silver Member]

is there a website for the north american distributor for the new, yet to be mfg'd ossa's ?? i would love to put a deposit down on one....

[motoxgiant TT Member]

huskyfrk, on 12 April 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

is there a website for the north american distributor for the new, yet to be mfg'd ossa's ?? i would love to put a deposit down on one....

They can be found at ossaworld.com. Ossacanada.ca has a better look at the enduro side of things.

[vidarapido TT Member]

Dwight_Rudder, on 22 January 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Backwards engine ? EFI ? Why do we need the complexity of EFI ? All that does is run the cost of the bike up and makes it harder to work on. I love Ossa bikes but I will stick to my 1972-74 Pioneers and SDRs.

Dude, you of all people with all the trick motor configurations that you use should embrace efi. Once you get the hang of it, it's easy to work on and the advantages far out weigh the dis advantages of a carb. Plus, if your worried about electric fuel pumps and such. FI can be totally mechanical like sprint cars although no dirt bike guys are doing it right now. All of the bikes that I buy in the future will be fuel injected. Carbs are a pain in the ass and leak alot of fuel. I love the OSSA too! Especially the new woods bike. AWESOME!! One of the first big bikes that I rode was a Pioneer. One of the most easy bikes to wheelie that I have ever been on only held back by that terrible Amal carb.

Edited by vidarapido, 21 April 2012 - 06:38 AM.

[vidarapido TT Member]

motoxgiant, on 17 February 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Gosh that looks beautiful! Can't wait for the first one to arrive in just a couple of days, but then the OSSA is only a handful of months after that ...

KTM is no longer a small manufacturer. They sell more motorcycles worldwide than any one else. Aluminum frames are not all they're cracked up to be. There is such a thing as too stiff and most are of the perimeter variety that affect how thin the bike can be. The japanese model of one bike for the masses is dead. Ktm makes soecific models for specific applications and have paved the way for other european manufacturers to follow suit. Thus the popularity and introduction of bikes such as the Gas Gas. I'm glad to see a paradigm shift and as long as it's on this this course, the future could be very exciting!

We'll see! I can't wait!

[Krannie]

vidarapido, on 21 April 2012 - 06:38 AM, said:

KTM is no longer a small manufacturer. They sell more motorcycles worldwide than any one else. Aluminum frames are not all they're cracked up to be. There is such a thing as too stiff and most are of the perimeter variety that affect how thin the bike can be. The japanese model of one bike for the masses is dead. Ktm makes soecific models for specific applications and have paved the way for other european manufacturers to follow suit. Thus the popularity and introduction of bikes such as the Gas Gas. I'm glad to see a paradigm shift and as long as it's on this this course, the future could be very exciting!

We'll see! I can't wait!

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What in the Hell are you talking about??

KTM sells 150,000 motorcycles world wide every year.
Approx 85,000 to the North and South america, up about 30% from 6 years ago. Everyone else is down 30-60% from 6 years ago.
Honda sells that many in a month!
Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki are at about 45,000 a month.

And what is the paridgm shift exactly?

Husky, Beta, Sherco, GasGas, Can Am, Aprillia, and all the other small-production bikes to not even put a DENT in sales of Honda and Yamaha. The demand for these bikes is less than ever, world wide, and THAT is why Honda, and Yamaha don't make these kind of bikes. They have to make 150,000 of a model for it to be profitable.

The reason these bikes exist is because of CHEAP LABOR in countries other than Japan and USA.....and terrible Monetary Inflation in the USA.