I followed the Clymer manual. I think the intake valves were .002 inches and the exhaust were .004. Maybe opposite but whatever the manual said.
Xl600 Not Getting Oil
Started by berwin_06, Jun 09 2010 02:27 PM
36 replies to this topic
Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:57 AM
I thought that I was onto something earlier. The sound seems to be coming from the ride side exhaust valve area near where the decompressor...thingy is. I thought that the cable to the decompressor may have been out of adjustment and contacting the valve. After adjusting it so that there was no way it was hitting the valve, the noise is still there.
I took a video to show the difference of the two cable brackets. I'm guessing that the difference is because the 84 engines, which I have in my bike now, were made to automatically decompress, while the 86s added another cable to use it manually as well. You can also see what happens when the top end isn't getting oil.
I took a video to show the difference of the two cable brackets. I'm guessing that the difference is because the 84 engines, which I have in my bike now, were made to automatically decompress, while the 86s added another cable to use it manually as well. You can also see what happens when the top end isn't getting oil.
Posted 16 March 2011 - 01:47 PM
Well........ my advise is remove the valve cover........and at the top of the cam sprocket try to lift the cam chain away from the teeth...if you can lift it up any the chain is stretched and the tensioner,tensioner rails are suspect and should look really close at the gears for wear...alot of noise in these engines are either cam chain or incorrect valve clearance related...
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Posted 17 March 2011 - 02:48 PM
I checked the cam chain and it seemed pretty tight. I'm still looking at the decompression though. In the 84 engine there is another point on the side of the head opposite the spark plug. It is supposed to have a cable connecting it to the point just above the kick start. Other than that I don't really know.
Posted 18 March 2011 - 05:47 AM
berwin_06 said:
I checked the cam chain and it seemed pretty tight. I'm still looking at the decompression though. In the 84 engine there is another point on the side of the head opposite the spark plug. It is supposed to have a cable connecting it to the point just above the kick start. Other than that I don't really know.
If you're refering to the decomp lever right above the carbs on the rocker cover, that opens a tiny valve which releases the compression (cylinder volume) into the chamber located on the left side of the head.
Not having it connected wouldn't cause any engine noise. They run fine without it.
If you have the manual decomp adjusted too tight, you will get a false tight reading when checking your right exhaust valve though.
Make sure it's backed way off (loose) when you check that valves lash.
If you don't, you will be thinking you have that valve set correctly when in fact it will be very loose and make a bunch of clattering noise.
Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:53 AM
Hey guys, I haven't been on in a while since I graduated, left town, and lived in an apartment with no garage a while. I am finally settled in in a house in Lufkin and have started messing with the bike again. I have about run out of options on what to do with this thing. I decided to order some new exhaust gaskets in hopes that the sound that I've been hearing are from the exhaust leaking, however, I installed them and as you can hear in this video...
It is still making some noise. You can't quite hear it as well in this video as you could in the previous one I posted, but I believe that it has become equally as loud as before. I do think that wiggling the exhuast while the motor was running had a small effect on the amount of noise, but I don't see how it could still be leaking with the brand new gaskets. I did get a little too much oil in it and will need to drain probably half of a quart, but I didn't figure that would affect anything. As far as I know, the timing is right, the valve clearance is right, the decompressor is not in the way, the cam chain has plenty of tension and the head is getting plenty of oil. I don't know what else it could be. Please let me know what you guys are thinking.
Brandon
It is still making some noise. You can't quite hear it as well in this video as you could in the previous one I posted, but I believe that it has become equally as loud as before. I do think that wiggling the exhuast while the motor was running had a small effect on the amount of noise, but I don't see how it could still be leaking with the brand new gaskets. I did get a little too much oil in it and will need to drain probably half of a quart, but I didn't figure that would affect anything. As far as I know, the timing is right, the valve clearance is right, the decompressor is not in the way, the cam chain has plenty of tension and the head is getting plenty of oil. I don't know what else it could be. Please let me know what you guys are thinking.
Brandon
Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:28 AM
Well.if it`s an exhaust leak........then smoke is barrelling out at the midpipe connection,so it`s leaking a pile there.. 
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 12:08 PM
<p>My honest opinion of it is it needs a rebore and new Piston and rings,,
Smokes excessive.,,Can't hear much in the way of noise,,
What is with the gigantic font and extended page size now???,,
Smokes excessive.,,Can't hear much in the way of noise,,
What is with the gigantic font and extended page size now???,,
Posted 04 February 2012 - 12:17 PM
The huge font makes the site faster admittedly,,
Blasted hassle having to scroll across threads to read
them though,,and the edit function is still stuffed,,,
Blasted hassle having to scroll across threads to read
them though,,and the edit function is still stuffed,,,
Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:22 PM
brianhare, on 04 February 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:
Well.if it`s an exhaust leak........then smoke is barrelling out at the midpipe connection,so it`s leaking a pile there..
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Big +1 to that.
Horri, on 04 February 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:
The huge font makes the site faster admittedly,,
Blasted hassle having to scroll across threads to read
them though,,and the edit function is still stuffed,,,
Blasted hassle having to scroll across threads to read
them though,,and the edit function is still stuffed,,,
Whatever the problem is, it's likely on your end, possibly related to browser settings and/or allowing Javascript. The edit funtion is grayed-out until the mouse pointer is dragged over it. The site is displaying and working properly on all of my machines.
Posted 05 February 2012 - 10:07 AM
I'm trying to get the leak in the connection between the header and the muffler under control but I don't think that the sound comes from there. You can't tell in the video but if I position my head between the leaking connection and the beginning of the exhaust, I can definitely tell that it's not coming from the big leak, plus I've also wrapped it real tight with a rag to stop the leak and it did not affect the sound. The video showed me starting the bike for the first time in several months so I kind of figured that it smoked because the oil had worked it's way into the cylinder after sitting for a long period of time. It clears up after running for several minutes. Would the leaking be normal from sitting or should that still not happen? About how much would I expect to pay to get it bored and replace the piston and rings?
I'm not seeing anything odd about the font or format on my computer.
I'm not seeing anything odd about the font or format on my computer.
Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:30 PM
As far as I'm concerned a 4 stroke left to sit for any amount of time should not smoke
at all on startup,,Ok, maybe a tiny amount but that should clear in under a minute
not go on for seven minutes. A rebore Piston and rings plus gaskets is unlikely
to see you getting any change from 400 should you do the strip down yourself.
Regards the huge font etc,, Only thing in the way of anti java I have running
is Script Sentry. True it blocks adds and Java but to use this site on this
Laptop I need it running just to make the place bearable on it. No other sites
have been affected. I run SS on all my pcs as I cannot abide adds or excessive fluff.
Should I want to view all that stuff and have the proper edit function work I
can just disable it,, I chose not to as the fluff slows the Lappy to an unacceptable
level. I now make my posts shorter in word content so I can read without scrolling.
Reset my 'NoSquint" settings and the sites back to normal,,Fans working overtime
and the lappy's instantly slow,,I'll decide whether I want speedy page reading or
the scroll across hassle as time goes by.,Dunno how the NOSquint reset itself,,
Pcs are pcs,, they just do odd things at times.,
at all on startup,,Ok, maybe a tiny amount but that should clear in under a minute
not go on for seven minutes. A rebore Piston and rings plus gaskets is unlikely
to see you getting any change from 400 should you do the strip down yourself.
Regards the huge font etc,, Only thing in the way of anti java I have running
is Script Sentry. True it blocks adds and Java but to use this site on this
Laptop I need it running just to make the place bearable on it. No other sites
have been affected. I run SS on all my pcs as I cannot abide adds or excessive fluff.
Should I want to view all that stuff and have the proper edit function work I
can just disable it,, I chose not to as the fluff slows the Lappy to an unacceptable
level. I now make my posts shorter in word content so I can read without scrolling.
Reset my 'NoSquint" settings and the sites back to normal,,Fans working overtime
and the lappy's instantly slow,,I'll decide whether I want speedy page reading or
the scroll across hassle as time goes by.,Dunno how the NOSquint reset itself,,
Pcs are pcs,, they just do odd things at times.,
Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:15 PM
As for the ticking, get a automotive stethoscope, or just use a long screw driver to isolate were the noise is coming from. Put one end of the screw driver to your ear, the other end on the motor, frame and see were the noise is loudest. Mine had a loud tick until warm,(was sure it was coning from the head) then when I changed my pipe, I noticed were it was touching the frame just under the air box, new pipe and the noise went away.
Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:53 PM
Horri, on 05 February 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:
As far as I'm concerned a 4 stroke left to sit for any amount of time should not smoke
at all on startup,,Ok, maybe a tiny amount but that should clear in under a minute
not go on for seven minutes. A rebore Piston and rings plus gaskets is unlikely
to see you getting any change from 400 should you do the strip down yourself.
Regards the huge font etc,, Only thing in the way of anti java I have running
is Script Sentry. True it blocks adds and Java but to use this site on this
Laptop I need it running just to make the place bearable on it. No other sites
have been affected. I run SS on all my pcs as I cannot abide adds or excessive fluff.
Should I want to view all that stuff and have the proper edit function work I
can just disable it,, I chose not to as the fluff slows the Lappy to an unacceptable
level. I now make my posts shorter in word content so I can read without scrolling.
Reset my 'NoSquint" settings and the sites back to normal,,Fans working overtime
and the lappy's instantly slow,,I'll decide whether I want speedy page reading or
the scroll across hassle as time goes by.,Dunno how the NOSquint reset itself,,
Pcs are pcs,, they just do odd things at times.,
at all on startup,,Ok, maybe a tiny amount but that should clear in under a minute
not go on for seven minutes. A rebore Piston and rings plus gaskets is unlikely
to see you getting any change from 400 should you do the strip down yourself.
Regards the huge font etc,, Only thing in the way of anti java I have running
is Script Sentry. True it blocks adds and Java but to use this site on this
Laptop I need it running just to make the place bearable on it. No other sites
have been affected. I run SS on all my pcs as I cannot abide adds or excessive fluff.
Should I want to view all that stuff and have the proper edit function work I
can just disable it,, I chose not to as the fluff slows the Lappy to an unacceptable
level. I now make my posts shorter in word content so I can read without scrolling.
Reset my 'NoSquint" settings and the sites back to normal,,Fans working overtime
and the lappy's instantly slow,,I'll decide whether I want speedy page reading or
the scroll across hassle as time goes by.,Dunno how the NOSquint reset itself,,
Pcs are pcs,, they just do odd things at times.,
Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr you could fling that POS computer out the window and get something made AFTER 1920.....what you running,,a VIC 20 or Commadore 64...
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:11 PM
Presario 900 with about 756 meg of ram in it,, some sort of
AMD 1200 CPU in it and ATI graphics..Paid the big hundred dollars for it from a mate.
Got my moneys worth out of it. I have 5 other Desktop pcs strewn about the house
and garage, all put together by me from bits I gather from things we have called
"Inorganic collections". People stick their old stuff out on the side of the road and the
council come and take it away.,that's if I don't get to it first,.
I occasionally buy a newer secondhand mainboard for them should
one kick the bucket. Past keeping up with the Jonses' regards pcs,,Waste of money,.
Half them run Mepis Linux or Slackware half run XP,.I own old bikes as well ya know,,for a reason,.
I can always fix them., Own one decent pc for the odd bit of gaming should I feel like blowing some bugger away in my Spitfire or Me 109,.
AMD 1200 CPU in it and ATI graphics..Paid the big hundred dollars for it from a mate.
Got my moneys worth out of it. I have 5 other Desktop pcs strewn about the house
and garage, all put together by me from bits I gather from things we have called
"Inorganic collections". People stick their old stuff out on the side of the road and the
council come and take it away.,that's if I don't get to it first,.
I occasionally buy a newer secondhand mainboard for them should
one kick the bucket. Past keeping up with the Jonses' regards pcs,,Waste of money,.
Half them run Mepis Linux or Slackware half run XP,.I own old bikes as well ya know,,for a reason,.
I can always fix them., Own one decent pc for the odd bit of gaming should I feel like blowing some bugger away in my Spitfire or Me 109,.
Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:24 AM
I got the bike out yesterday to do some more investigating. Last time I ran it, there was too much oil after the bike warmed up so before starting the bike I was planning to drain around a cup to see if I could get it to the correct level. When I removed the the drain screw from the bottom of the frame, nothing came out. Is this normal? After assuming that the oil must be stored elsewhere, I started the bike for about 20-30 seconds. After I shut it off I opened the oil cap and I could hear a gulp, gulp, gulp coming from the oil reservoir. I would also like to know if this is normal. The bike started after only a couple of kicks and did not smoke at all though. What do you guys think about the oil?
Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:05 PM
It`ll drain back into the sump if you leave it for that length of time,,it`ll gurgle like that too till the oil is equalized after running it till completely warmed up...i`d drain the works..........then put 1 quart in the valve cover access cap and 1 quart in the oil resevoir......then run it till completely warmed up...gotta be off the sidestand and upright after a ride.........then shut it down and check immediately,,top up as necessary..
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